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Comment by elboru | Hacker News Reader

Microsoft feels like two totally different companies. One company can produce amazing concepts and products. But then, the other company comes and adds nasty “features” on top to ruin everything.

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Imo, so many of Microsoft's dark patterns are a direct result of them owning bing. Bing has bad market share, so MS takes every chance they get to show it to users. Start menu web search, Edge defaults, dark patterns abound just to get eyeballs on bing.

Bing's assistant (chatbot) is also a good example of the nest technical side. There are some people there trying to make new technology accessible to many.

Hampered by other things in the same pattern, right now requiring an Edge User agent.

That’s because it is. There’s Consumer Microsoft and Enterprise Microsoft. Enterprise Microsoft products are mostly really great. Anything that’s tied to the consumer side can’t make its returns on fat B2B contracts, so they are forced to extract value otherwise.

> Enterprise Microsoft products are mostly really great.

I see you haven’t actually used Azure Devops. (Their “enterprise github”, sort of.)

I have, it is actually really good. I remember being crap >5 years ago but lately I find it much nicer than GitHub. What makes you dislike ADO?

Teams?

Is heavy but mostly very good?

You're kidding, right?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32932137

Microsoft is using Chatbots to spread pro Microsoft propaganda.

You know it will happen.

TurkishPoptart's post is pretty much 100% contrary to my own experience. Teams is a huge resource hog, but switching between desktop and mobile participation is smooth and convenient and the app's never crashed for me.

> Enterprise Microsoft products are mostly really great

Yes, except Windows 10, Office 365, Teams, Edge, Calculator, Settings.

Copying UI from Google tells a lot about the spirit at Microsoft.

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