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And this is from a programmer that is not happy with Scala. Every single time I've upgraded the compiler there is a breaking change. They don't strictly follow semver. Most recently upgrading from the 2.11 to 2.13 compiler they made breaking serial version uid changes (I know don't use java serialization, but that wasn't my decision) and none of it was noted in the release notes.

When it comes to super complex just look at any of the type signatures of the standard library for collections:

   def ++[B >: A, That](that: GenTraversableOnce[B])(implicit bf: CanBuildFrom[IndexedSeq[A], B, That]): That

Comparing this to Java it is "super complex". IntelliJ can't even figure out the types sometimes.

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Scala 3 came out not too long ago and it fixed plenty of shortcomings. I do recommend giving it one another try.

Also, the reason why Scala’s collection has such complex signatures is because it is hands down the best collection lib out of any language I have used.

Nah the language is dead to me. And for petty reasons I don’t like significant white space. I only use it now because of work.

It still supports the older brace-style as well, doesn’t it?

Absolutely.

Right and I don’t want to have to deal with half the community being split. Or half my coworkers doing it one way. These are just things I don’t want to deal with. I said my reasons were petty! But they’re my reasons.

I don't know about the serialization issue but I don't doubt you had it.

> def ++[B >: A, That](that: GenTraversableOnce[B])(implicit bf: CanBuildFrom[IndexedSeq[A], B, That]): That

I should point out that this is the Scala 2.12 and and earlier signature. `CanBuildFrom` is gone from the Scala collections since Scala 2.13. In fact, the collections were redesigned for Scala 2.13 primarily to simplify method signatures, following community feedback.

And then when a dependency of one of your dependencies is broken agains the latest version. I know some of this has been cleaned up, but it is one of the main reasons I no longer use Scala - I have a rule about how long I'm willing to spend on build issues vs actually writing code, and Scala was always on the wrong side of that.

re: Complexity - At least the signatures for the core collections have been cleaned up a fair amount. That said, the richness of the type system and the prevalence of operator overloading always made it feel like a language you could be really productive in once you knew the language and the current codebase really well, but was really hard to just read through unfamiliar code and know what is going on.

> And then when a dependency of one of your dependencies is broken agains the latest version

How is this any worse than Java? My most vexing dependency-hell issues have involved breaking API changes to Hamcrest matchers and Apache Http Client; more recently Jackson-databind. All of those are Java libraries, brought in via transitive dependencies, usually from Java libraries.

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