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The Private Group Where Parents Give Ivermectin to Kids with Autism

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In the correct dose ivermectin has few if any side effects, at least compared to over the counter medicines like aspirin. the problem here is using poorly dosed veterinary forms, that aren't meant for internal use.

I feel like on the principle of harm reduction we should just let these people try it, in the correct, safe, form/dose with medical supervision.

As an aside, ivermectin is a GlyR agonist, so it seems at least scientifically plausible it could do something for some people with autism. But I'm not a doctor, just an autist with a special interest in psychopharmacology.

> poorly dosed veterinary forms, that aren't meant for internal use

While veterinary formulations are not meant for human consumption they are meant for internal consumption [1] by the intended species and dosage is actually easy and accurate, at least when the standard anti-helminthic dosage of 200 µg/kg is used since in that case the dosage can simply be set on the syringe just like it would be done with a horse. The difference between the human and veterinary formulations of Ivermectin is in the used base, a paste for the veterinary version versus a solid filler-diluent for the human preparation. The active ingredient is identical and sourced from the same Indian manufacturers like is the case for so many other off-patent medications.

[1] there is some off-label external use of Ivermectin paste for dermal conditions, the efficacy of which has not been proven

Yeah, this made me wonder. Why should there be any difference, other than dosage and its physical form (pill vs. something else) between human and animal drugs? Animal stuff shouldn't contain anything harmful to animals, or else why would you give it to them, and there shouldn't be any ingredients that are harmful to humans yet safe for animals (humans aren't some completely different lifeform).

There are veterinary drugs which are poisonous to humans but useable for cattle, sheep, horses and other animals. Often these are preparations which were developed for humans but withdrawn when they turned out to have harmful side effects which either do not occur in animals, occur at a lower frequency or where the cost/benefit analysis ends up favouring their use. Many veterinary preparations are simply generic human preparations and can be safe to take for humans. The other way around is not as simple since many common human preparations are actively poisonous to animals. A single tablet of paracetamol (acetaminophen) or naproxen can be enough to kill a cat or a small dog, a few will kill a dog. Ibuprofen causes kidney damage in cats and dogs, etc.

So, yes, there are veterinary preparations humans should not use just like there are many more human preparations which should never be given to animals. Dosage can also differ between species. Many veterinary preparations are abused as narcotics, e.g. Ketamine and Xylazine. With all that said and with the required knowledge available there are many veterinary preparations which can be used by humans since they are either identical - e.g. Prascend (used to treat Cushing's disease in horses) is more or less identical to Permax (used to treat Parkinson's disease in humans, withdrawn from many markets), both have pergolide as active ingredient. Ivermectin is another example which can be found in many veterinary preparations as well as those for humans, often using a different base but otherwise identical. The extremely polarised debate around SARS2 and the use of Ivermectin have led to a proliferation of dire warnings about the differences between veterinary and human preparations so it is advisable to look for older texts when searching for information about these differences.

If I were to need medication and were offered the choice between a preparation made for human use and one for veterinary use I would choose the first one. If the choice were between a veterinary preparation and no medication and if I deemed the need to be sufficiently high I would take the veterinary preparation after having read up on the ingredients. If I were to need Ivermectin and were offered the choice to either get a box of 10 pills for €250 or a (new) syringe of Noromectin ('horse paste') for €5 (which is what these cost, thereabouts) I would take the horse paste without any qualms.

> I feel like on the principle of harm reduction we should just let these people try it, in the correct, safe, form/dose with medical supervision.

I don’t think the principle of harm reduction can justify this kind of active child abuse.

Oh no, any parasitic invertebrates in their body will die and they may or may not see an improvement in autism symptoms.

Also the side effects like blurry vision and bleeding. Whoopity doo dah.

Next up, bleach!

I've developed a cure for cancer. It's my magic lemonade, and it only costs $499.

At worst, you'll quench your thirst, but at best, you may get rid of that pesky tumor!

>In the channel, parents even share stories about their children experiencing horrific side effects from the drug, including brain fog, severe headaches, nausea, muscle pain, and seizures

Only in America! But seriously how is this not child abuse?

This is not 1984. It's hard to regulate/control what hundreds of millions of adults are doing to their children. Stories that get media attention of abuse overlook the thousands of incidents in which nothing happens.

Well exactly, but these are documented with the perpetrators evident, I doubt these maniacs are the kind to bother changing the default-open privacy settings on telegram, the group is known and they're actively talking about administering drugs which aren't approved, are known damaging, and are not qualified to do so.

The only proactive solution is deterrence, which starts with dealing with the idiots doing it in public.

I'm sorry but this is absolutely, horribly hilarious

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