Women Are 41% More Likely to Experience Toxic Workplace Culture Than Men

Also for some reason I’m pretty sure that men are unlikely to backstab their former employer and instead silently move on, because they’re very likely not interested in having their future employer see them as a liability?

I know many women who have a very weird instinct to compete against the other women in their environment which is not exactly the same as how men compete. And the WAY women compete is NASTY.

I have met a lot of women who have said they greatly prefer to work with men over women and that some women have extremely aggressive instincts towards other women.

It’s something evolutionary along the lines of: “If there are few women and many men (typical in most tech environments), you are competing not only for male attention and prestige but it is also a zero sum game based on appearance so another woman is threatening across multiple attack vectors … if she is more attractive, the men will give her more resources. If she is more talented, she will get more attention etc.

I think it reminds me of Chinese dynasty politics where an emperor who has many wives - They all understand that it is a zero sum game and the children of the woman who gets the most attention will have the most resources. Go read about how Chinese imperial concubines handled one another. It was very, very, very bad.

It is incredibly sexist to talk about. But the effect is real. Humans have hormones. They don’t go away because we have been in an office for 50 years out of the last million years.

I personally think that the chemistry between men and women can be magical for work and create super productivity. I prefer to work with and for women. It’s because if I work with men everything becomes a sort of dominance contest and I personally don’t care for it.

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In the discussion, various arguments have been presented surrounding the claim that women are 41% more likely to experience toxic workplace culture than men. Here, we break down the arguments into axioms and attempt to resolve them.

Argument 1: The data only shows that women are more likely to report toxic workplaces.

Axiom 1A: Women are more likely to report toxic workplaces than men.

Axiom 1B: Men are less likely to report toxic workplaces, possibly because they don't want to be perceived as a liability.

Argument 2: People typically report toxic workplaces when they are indeed toxic.

Axiom 2A: If a workplace is reported as toxic, it is likely actually toxic.

Argument 3: Men might react differently to toxic workplaces.

Axiom 3A: Men may take direct action against a former employer rather than report them on Glassdoor.

Argument 4: Women can also create toxic work environments.

Axiom 4A: Women can engage in aggressive and indirect behavior towards each other.

Axiom 4B: Evolutionary instincts and competition for resources, attention, and prestige might drive this behavior.

Argument 5: Cultural expectations shape how men and women respond to negative experiences.

Axiom 5A: Men are culturally expected to internalize negative experiences.

Axiom 5B: Women are culturally expected to attribute negative experiences to external factors.

To resolve these arguments, one could consider the following points:

1. Acknowledge that the data may reflect both actual toxic workplace experiences and differences in reporting rates between men and women. This would account for Axioms 1A, 1B, and 2A.

2. Recognize that both men and women can contribute to toxic work environments, as illustrated by Axioms 4A and 4B, but also acknowledge that they may respond differently to these experiences (Axioms 3A, 5A, and 5B).

3. Encourage open dialogue about toxic workplace culture, focusing on the experiences of both men and women, while considering the various factors that might influence their behavior and responses.

4. Promote research that investigates the different factors that contribute to toxic workplace culture, including individual, social, and cultural factors, as well as potential biases in the reporting of toxic workplaces.

By addressing these points, it is possible to gain a more comprehensive understanding of toxic workplace culture and the various factors that contribute to the differences in reported experiences between men and women.

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As a fun exercise I made it generate a graphviz digraph from it: https://dreampuf.github.io/GraphvizOnline/#digraph%20Toxic_W... (prompt: Write a graphviz digraph based on your previous response.)