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Every VPN worth its salt is located in a similar country, as it's critical for a VPN to operate out of a jurisdiction that does not require log retention for a certain period of time nor cooperates with Five Eyes law enforcement.

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Panama may be where they're incorporated, but they have operations all around the globe.

They have a ridiculously high ad spend, ridiculously high prices, located in a tax haven, their advertising routinely makes false, exaggerated claims, they've been exposed as having logs even though they claim otherwise, and may or may not be running a botnet. Everything about this company screams money laundering scheme to me.

EDIT: I've realised my claims about logging were overblown. But I'm not so insecure as to edit it out so here's a disclaimer :)

To my knowledge, nordvpn is independently audited on its no log claims. Can you provide a source for what you said regarding logs?

I don't trust audits. Too many ways to trick auditors, or auditors could be corrupt. And it only proves what was the case during the audit, assuming the auditors didn't miss anything, not before or after.

I'll admit I misread another comment on this post as them definitely being exposed for logging though, my mistake. I've been unable to corroborate it. I did find that the company openly admits it cooperates with law enforcement and does log on behalf of law enforcement.

Additionally there are so many other red flags I'm not inclined to believe anything they say.

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