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that photo of the chicken barn is terrifying

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That's nothing.

Here's the latest, world's most advanced disease incubator. Courtesy of China of course. [0]

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/nov/25/chinas-2...

Doesn't seem any worse than "battery cages" for chickens. Not that either setup is good for the animals.

What's the solution though? Either people need to eat less meat (and pay more for it) or the global human population needs to stabilize or even decrease a little. Neither option seems popular, so technology fills the need.

The developed world is really doing its bit here. We have stopped breeding humans at a sustainable rate and are looking at falling populations in the near future as the boomers age-out

Or stop eating meat altogether. Problem of unsustainable and cruel meat production solved.

Those pig barns look about the same as the ones in Iowa. Only difference is one is in a high rise.

>Workers will be required to go through multiple rounds of disinfection and testing before being given clearance to enter, and won’t be able to leave the site until their next break – reportedly once a week.

I can't imagine living and working for weeks at a time in an environment like that,it sounds awfully dystopian. Imagine a cyberpunk future where the lower casts are permanent sequestered from society because they've been quarantined.

They can leave at any time. It's just that their social credit score will go to 0.

There is a movie you may want to watch.

"Andromeda Strain", directed by Robert Wise, 1971.

The sequence where the specialists are "sterilized" before entering the most secure levels of the lab are best.

Robot voice: "Please enter the chamber and be sterilized."

Dr Leavitt (played by Kate Reid): "I'd rather be decontaminated."

I can't see why. Is not much different that seen a photo of an astronaut in a space ship. Winter in Canada is harsh. Outside there is dark and chilling, not much food or water and everything outside would kill this animals in one hour or two. Less than 24 hours for sure.

Is totally, 120% reasonable, to keep the animals inside at this time. Inside there is light, warm, safety from predators, food, water, healthcare and other chicken to fight, annoy, cluck or chat with, that is very nice when you are a gregarious species as chicken are.

And at the end of their life they will be insta-killed

But lets don't allow reality to ruin a juicy horror tale. Free Willys, so they can die frozen, or be hunted by predators while trying to fly, and feel how each single bone in their chest is fractured one by one, and then eaten alive.

Lots of beings trapped in four walls with artificial light all day, just like the office... oh.

People are being murdered in offices by the billion?

No, in many cases it's a much slower agonizing death. But you might get a gold watch at the end!

That's what they told those chicken too

You'll have to look up agonizing, I bet going through a machine with the sounds of your companions dying all around you is a lot more agonizing than choosing an unhappy life and living with those consequences

I would agree, but I've seen cattle being offloaded into an abattoir. A few trucks in a parking lot, one unloading into a corral, with a bridge/ramp headed into the building.

I've seen startled cattle, and I've seen frightened cattle. None of these were. Yet inside, the sound of dying cattle could be heard, with a "Bam!" from the gun used to euthanize by nail-to-the-brain, and a "thud' of the cattle falling afterwards.

I presumed, at the time, that the lack of concern was due to a lack of panicked sounds. The cattle simply died instantly, without exhibiting any pain response, or noise, first.

So no.. at least for cattle, it seems to be without the experience you describe.

I bet if we had cow psychologists they might diagnose them with shock, living near pig farms my experience is a lot different. The stress of transportation, the smell of dead animals, these are so unnatural and without any possible escape what would you do?

Murder is a bit hyperbolic isn’t it?

These animals have been raised solely with the purpose of being eaten. They would have never come in to existence otherwise, and their death is happening to feed people.

Your reasoning here is wrong I don't even know where to start... The fact that Agent A brings into existence Agent B gives them the right to dispose of Agent B in any way they want? When does that ever make sense?

Would you prefer these domestic animals just get set free in the wild to be eaten by predators, starve to death, or die of preventable diseases? They have already been born, they can feed people, and they will most likely live a much less humane life in the wild.

Sure, hypothetically some of them could become pets, but that would be a tiny minority of them.

This is just one of the reasons why people here in the UK are so opposed to allowing imports of cheap US meat - US and Canadian animal welfare standards are absolutely disgusting.

EDIT: missed out the word "Canadian" by mistake.

Singer’s Animal Liberation in the 70s had an impact on most of the world whereas in the US animal welfare got worse as farm sizes continued to increase and farms industrialized.

I'm glad to see this book mentioned. It's a good read. Not dogmatic. It explores several angles from which to think about the welfare of animals in the custody of humans.

It was a picture of a Canadian farm.

Not that you're wrong about US factory farming, but this article (and the photos) are only concerned with Canada. It's, unfortunately, not just a US problem.

why, its canada, outside could be cold and snowy and while it seem crowded, we cannot tell for sure

yes i read the articles that said, when chicken are put in very tight place or in areas where they are too crowded, i that they can start to behave aggressive towards each other

that being said, how can we tell if this is too crowded for chickens?

I don't think that they even go outside...

> that being said, how can we tell if this is too crowded for chickens?

lmao this is on the same level as when we used to do surgery on newborn/babies without anaesthetics because "they can't feel pain"

We grow them so fast their organs can't even follow, we let them live for 4 weeks before slaughter when healthy ones could live 5-10 years, we cut their beak so they can't hurt eachother in stress induced fights

How can you look at a picture of a dark barn, with something like 10+ chicken per sq meter, bathing in their own shit and piss for the bulk of their miserable existence, and ask "how can we tell if this is too crowded for chickens"

> outside could be cold and snowy

They most likely will never see outside, the extreme vast majority don't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx4rDvYHrZM

https://www.humanesociety.org/news/super-size-problem-broile...

I can tell you from personal experience working in these barns that it really is that crowded, and it isn't pleasant in there for either chickens or humans.

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