Businesses need to pay their employees from the money they have not from taxpayer money. If a business loses that money because their banking partner lost the money, taxpayers have no obligation to help (beyond the 250k)
The government isn't offering to bail out depositors. And taxpayers aren't even paying the $250k, that's from an insurance fund paid into by banks.
And yes if an insurance fund pays for it then I am all for it. Someone other than the taxpayer has to foot this bill thats all.
In any other scenario, if businesses with deposits in SVB lose some material amount of their cash, people will be getting laid off, prices will increase for some goods, and some companies will fail. All of these things negatively impact taxpayers.
It's not clear to me what the better outcome here is, but this is going to affect everyday people either way.
Why so necessarily? The first thing to happen is that their equity holders will take a hit. Only then will the other things you state happen. And if the equity holders take a hit, well, that's exactly why they're equity holders.
Similarly, companies raise capital to achieve goals. If 10-20% of that capital vaporizes, the ability to achieve those goals will be harmed. Some companies will not achieve those goals, and may be unable to raise future financing.
We're talking about operating cash for these companies. The hit to equity holders is not the problem right now.
Of course my comments above refer mostly to venture backed tech companies, but that represents a significant share of SVB's clients.
Or by raising earlier than expected, as a down round? I don't understand why a solid company would be in trouble (though I'm not convinced that a high proportion of SV companies are actually solid).
Raising down rounds will be lower on the priority list to layoffs. Most companies would vastly prefer to buy more time to grow into their next milestone than to admit they can't achieve it and raise at a lower valuation. We generally know this to be true, in part because we just watched it happen across the entire tech ecosystem over the last ~12 months or so.
Logically, it makes sense. VC backed startups operate on optics and momentum. Layoffs are recoverable, failing to hit goals is much less so (I'm speaking purely about optics here, not my personal preference).
> though I'm not convinced that a high proportion of SV companies are actually solid
This is likely accurate. But that's not necessarily criticism, most companies in their early days aren't "solid" (if by solid you mean default alive and/or having a path to profitability). SVB is overly exposed to these types of clients, which is why I think there stands to be a large impact here if depositors need to take a 10-20% haircut.
At the same time, I really have a preference for people who didn't sign up for this kind of risk (I.e. most companies are Seed-Series B companies who understood the risk that the company might fail, but not the risk that their company had all their cash in one bank that failed), to not be laid off as a result of this.
It's a tough time.
Furthermore it is unlikely this will even affect anyone that is actually vulnerable like workers at Walmart for example.
Regardless, you're not replying to a thread where anyone claimed that the government should bail anyone out. You're replying to a thread where I mentioned that taxpayers are going to foot this bill one way or another. Either because the government does bail out the bank, or because regular taxpayers lose their jobs in the fallout.
There is no evidence that your doomsday set of "any other scenario"s would be any more destructive than bailing out companies that are evidently poor at managing their risk, and - as startups - are at a generally high risk of folding in the future anyway. Such a bailout constitutes a headfirst dive into the sunk cost fallacy. Are the people who lose their jobs more or less likely to have a network that will help them find a job, compared to those who will lose the taxpayer-funded services cut to pay for a bailout? Are the startups in question actually producing anything of material worth to the average American's budget? Frankly: do we care if these businesses fail? Maybe some of us would be happy to see them go away?
To your questions: The companies you'd prefer to see shut down almost certainly will outside of the zero interest rate environment we've recently excited. But there's quite a big difference between businesses running their course and dying, and them rapidly laying off employees alongside one another because they just lost much of their runway. Mass layoffs create a sudden oversupply of candidates and strain the system, making it more difficult for those laid off to find new jobs.
While I'd prefer businesses not die for "random chance" of having chosen the wrong bank, my concerns here are not for the companies themselves. I'm much more worried about the downstream impact of employees who will go without wages or systemic failures of other banks if we can't regain confidence quickly.
I've said (roughly) in another thread, I would rather have well-off people get hurt alone or alongside poor people, rather than poor people alone. When well-off people get hurt, problems are more likely to get fixed. What we've seen is proof positive of the assumption of influence and reach that underpins this notion, but in the most cynical way imaginable. They said: fuck you, got mine.
SVB had assets to cover most deposits, if not all. FDIC needs time to sell those assets, but depositors need the security of their cash now. FDIC pledged a larger portion of their pool, which is funded by banks, to cover withdrawals while assets are sold.
By most reasonable estimates, FDIC will recover at least 80-90% of deposits at no cost to anyone. This means that, at most, there’s a 10-20B hole to plug, if any at all. If needed at all, that hole will be plugged by a special assessment on other banks. Given the relatively small dollar amount, it’s my personal opinion that banks wouldn’t bother trying to pass down the fee, be that’s the primary way this would impact regular people.
I wonder how many people here would be screaming the exact opposite if this was their personal banking account?
Yes, you can spread your money among multiple accounts. However, data shows it's exceedingly rare (1) an individual bank to fail (2) depositors to loose any money when a bank fails.
According to the FDIC list of failed banks [0], there have only been 17 bank failures in the past 5 years. It's been 9 years since a bank has failed without finding an acquirer.
To say this is something you must plan for is a bit of a stretch.
* https://www.fdic.gov/resources/resolutions/bank-failures/fai...