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As I see it, the problem is that: (1) react tries to teach everyone new bizarre ways of writing code instead of being a toolkit, (2) web is historically so focused on old-crazy-web <-> new-crazy-web dichotomy that cannot see past it.

(1a) is the web’s desire to mix “ui rendering” with “state management” which are two different things.

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State management has lead to a bunch of different frameworks (e.g. redux, mobx, zustand). They are also not really pleasent to use and sort of mix into UI rendering.

How would your approach at seperating state from UI look like?

If they are not pleasant to use, why are you using them? It’s literally the value they are supposed to introduce.

I'm not using them for said reason

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