Twitter’s $42k-per-month API prices out nearly everyone
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The genius of Fox News was "why spend money on buying political attack ads when you can just buy the network and run them all day long." Twitter is just becoming that too.
I would not be surprised if he could have offered the api $420/mo and 100x more apps were willing and/or able to pay.
It was profitable. He caused it to hurtle toward bankruptcy.
https://sites.lsa.umich.edu/mje/2022/12/21/twitter-and-its-f...:
> Twitter has been operating at a massive loss for years, failing to book an annual profit since 2019 (Mauer, 2022). For eight out of the last ten years, the company has posted a loss.
https://www.netcials.com/financial-net-profit-year-quarter-u...
Twitter’s underlying business was already profitable.
He almost certainly caused some advertisers to leave, but as a reference snapchat had similar decreases in advertising spend, so its hard to argue this is all Musk and not considerably due to economic conditions and apple's privacy changes
No, that's a misunderstanding. What Fox News cares about is growing and maintaining an audience because that's what profitable. In pursuit of that profit, Fox News will foster its community however it can.
And so, driven by profit seeking, Fox News has embraced total nihilism. Fox News will spin any narrative, tell any lie, invent any fiction if it thinks it is what its audience wants to hear. The more Fox News offers its audience comforting fictions, no matter how untrue, the better for the bottom line.
You don't have to believe me on that. It's what Fox News says of itself:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/03/08/tucker-car...
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/02/fox-news-d...
look up the roger ailes papers from when it was founded
Musk is very vocal about his far-right views. He's anti-union, anti-public health, etc.
>how are they amplified considering anybody can post anything?
Anyone can post anything, but Musk can and has systemically prioritized his tweets over organic content.
I'd be interested in any sort of proof.
> Musk is very vocal about his far-right views. He's anti-union, anti-public health, etc.
Please show specific examples of his far-right views, so I can understand what specifically you mean by that term other than things you personally find disagreeable.
Have you been paying attention? https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/14/23600358/elon-musk-tweets... "This story is based on interviews with people familiar with the events involved and supported by documents obtained by Platformer."
> Anyone can post anything, but Musk can and has systemically prioritized his tweets over organic content.
>If we keep throwing that around when we mean right leaning or politically right views then anyone on the right is going to be "far-right
The GOP is a far-right political party. They are fundamentally anti-democracy.
>and we're never going to work together.
We aren't going to work together regardless because the far-right GOP doesn't want the same things as most Americans. They are a political minority that can wreak havoc on the country due to poorly thought electoral systems.
>I think that the other comments to you are to point out where Elon has fascist or Nazism beliefs.
There is more to the far-right than having Nazism beliefs. American far-right is Christian Fascist. Elon Musk is a fascist a la Henry Ford.
He provides vocal and material support to fascist and far-right causes such as vaccine conspiracies and transphobia. He's anti-labor, anti-safety regulations.
I'm guessing you're one of those folks who want to pretend he's not far-right until he openly wears a swastika.
My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci
> In five words, Musk manages to mock transgender and nonbinary people, signal his disdain for public-health officials, and send up a flare to far-right shitposters and trolls.Heh. I have a disdain for throwing shade and hyperbole, am I also far right cmh89? :)
I don't know. How often do you pal around with far-right people and help spread their rhetoric? That would be a good indicator. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, its probably a duck.
Likewise, Musk has adopted far-right talking points, wants far-right approval, and supports far-right causes. He's probably a duck huh
When any amount of right wing is far right, it just show how far left your perspective is. And if you think far right is in any way worse than far left, that's just more evidence of the same. They're the same people, just with opposite causes.
It's more complicated than just the ability to post. Never discount the power of the algorithm. And that can be tinkered with:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-15/musk-forc...
https://www.axios.com/2022/10/30/elon-musk-paul-pelosi-tweet...
I don't remember being a highly profitable venture before, so what was the previous owners intentions with owning the business but not caring if it generated a reasonable return?
What propaganda were they spewing?
It was profitable on an ongoing basis (the most recent reported period had a one-time charge that made it unprofitable, IIRC) though not “highly profitable”. Since the Musk takeover was announced – leading to forward advertising sales drying up even before it was consummated – its been (by Musk’s own description, including as to the timing, though he places the blame elsewhere) hurtling toward bankruptcy.
- Jim Morrison
Doesn't make economic sense at all if you buy it for $44 billion when it was already on shakey financial grounds.
If you are going to influence people, pay for the reach and If you are going to mine data, pay for the data. I guess the exact pricing can be adjusted according to the market needs but I agree with the paid access approach.
Now you just get worse 3rd party apps and integrations. Interesting to see the attempt to spin this as a positive.
When does Twitter start paying it's users who produce the data?
Never.
Having a business in the capitalist system is about maximising profits.
Musk spent ~$44bn USD or so to buy Twitter (and tried to back out of the deal too). Do you really think Twitter is gonna fairly compensate any of the users any time soon?
You’d be better off migrating to Mastodon. Maybe some instance in that ecosystem will figure out how to use crypto for good, and to compensate its content creators.
Yes, if it makes business sense to do so. Like it does for content creatos.
Ideally, everyone would pay to use the service and nothing would be mined for manipulation but that world is hard to imagine in 2023.
Why do those users choose to produce data for Twitter/on Twitter for free?
Given that most of the article is about the pricing tiers for academic use, based on marketing communications to universities, your comment seems strangely indifferent to the context of this news. These proposed costs are unaffordable precisely because academics are not running a business around the data. If the article were about enterprise data sales, your point would make sense.
> Is this anything more than a drop in the bucket for Twitter?
I don't know, Twitter were selling office furniture and cutting on the food on campus. So maybe it's not just a drop in the bucket after all?
Academic work has costs but nothing like 42k per month, if anything that was the entire budget allocation for one RA's salary for 80% of the year.
The current project I am on now, has only been allocated 250k for multiple people (3 RAs) working on it for the year.
We also used the API to try and determine the most impacted areas after a natural disaster. Basically it would use the model we trained to try and read tweets of people that needed help or people tweeting about severe damage and group them by their coordinates.
The first one I agree isn’t really positive since it is just using other people’s data to train a model, but the second one could’ve been a useful tool to help EMS during a natural disaster.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3814191
Academia has flooded the literature with >10,000 research papers based on the Twitter API feed. Virtually none of it is reproducible, it's frequently based on circular logic, the methodologies are unscientific and the conclusions are usually deeply partisan, but it nonetheless gets amplified by the media as "proof" of various false claims.
Count me in the camp of people who is happy Musk is doing this. I've been writing for years about the plague of "social bot" research coming out of academia that's based on the Twitter API:
https://blog.plan99.net/fake-science-part-ii-bots-that-are-n...
https://blog.plan99.net/did-russian-bots-impact-brexit-ad66f...
Maybe your specific work on COVID was good, but it was certainly drowned out by the work that was sharply net negative for both society and science. Academic institutions were clearly never going to get the problem under control, so booting them out whilst allowing search engines and the like to continue accessing the feed seems like a good solution.
But you conclude from that that all academic use of the Twitter API is garbage, which is nonsensical, and that preventing academics from studying Twitter at scale is the ideal solution. Your hyperbolic language (here and in your two medium articles, which I read thoroughly, along with the SSRN paper you cited*) does nothing for your own credibility.
The main 'methodology' of the SSRN paper is combing through other papers' datasets, contacting some of the identified 'bot' accounts, and establishing that they're operated by real people; the accounts as misidentified as bots when in reality the account operators were just aggressively quote-tweeting by using copy & paste to spread (eg) political or Qanon messages 200 times an hour. The authors point out that by really making an effort, Twitter users can tweet spam up to 25 times a minute, with no bots in sight! While the authors are quite correct to point out that people can be misidentified as bots, this completely ignores the fact of the unwanted spamming behavior. Pointing out the scientific flaws of 'tools' like Botometer is wholly valid, but the effort to research and develop tools for bot identification are a response to the fact of systematic information pollution, and most papers that try to address this issue are careful to offer caveats and qualifications about the limitations of their methods. It is not the fault of academics if media pundits over-simplify the fruits of their research.
Here are some examples of high quality research using data from Twitter:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/336638958_Ephemeral...
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334816353_Political...
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361949311_QAnon_Pro...
> you conclude from that that all academic use of the Twitter API is garbage, which is nonsensical
"All" no, a vast amount of it, yes. Is it nonsensical? Twitter themselves concluded this exact same thing even before Musk, both in public blog posts and internal emails (see the Twitter Files for examples).
But we don't really need to cite Twitter as an authority here. Just try to answer this question: what mechanisms exist that are stopping bad science outside the field of social bot research, and why have those mechanisms failed within it? It can't be peer review, university hiring committees and so on because those are all existing within social studies as well.
> Your hyperbolic language ...
What language do you think is hyperbolic, exactly, and why?
> Pointing out the scientific flaws of 'tools' like Botometer is wholly valid, but the effort to research and develop tools for bot identification are a response to the fact of systematic information pollution
This is exactly the sort of problem I'm talking about: this justification is circular. We do bad bot research because we know there are bots, we know there are bots because we do bad bot research. If there were actually big problems with social bots then it would be easy to find them and research them; we wouldn't see this situation where basically all papers are seeing patterns in noise.
Botometer is a good example of that. You admit that it's "scientifically flawed" but with respect, that language is not "hyperbolic" enough. It's not merely flawed, it's outright useless. It had an FP rate of 50% when tested against a known human dataset. Yet the Botometer paper has been cited over 900 times now (up from ~700 when I previously wrote about it). When exactly does the rest of the world get to call time on this bad behavior by the academy? These people are changing the opinions of world leaders on the back of misinformation, the exact problem they claim to be fighting.
> It is not the fault of academics if media pundits over-simplify the fruits of their research.
It wasn't media pundits that made academics cite the Botometer paper over 900 times, or write outright deceptive papers like the one I reviewed. The problem here is academia and the institutions need to start taking responsibility for it. Otherwise you're going to get situations like this one: academia will just get cut off from data. People don't have time to try and figure out which little subsections of the academy are following the rules to separate them from the rest.
1. Ephemeral Astroturfing Attacks: The Case of Fake Twitter Trends
A good start! It makes relatively limited claims (they aren't trying to assert whole elections are being distorted by Twitter bots) and is indeed higher quality than the ones I've been citing. It actually makes its data available, which is a step forward. But it's had limited impact (28 citations), and it's also not particularly useful. All they're doing is revealing that there is ordinary spam, hijacking and SEO on Turkish Twitter, which was never in doubt. All social media sites have these problems and the authors were tipped off by some amateur third party that highlights these campaigns. Most of what they find is plain commercial spam, there's also some politics in there related to local Turkish issues like cab drivers protesting against Uber but there's no evidence presented that this is actually having a real impact on politics.
The main question here is why are universities spending grant money on subsidizing Twitter? The only people who can do anything with this paper are Twitter's spam team, there isn't generalizable new scientific knowledge coming out of it.
2. Political Astroturfing on Twitter: How to Coordinate a Disinformation Campaign
This one starts with a big claim, so it can at least say it's doing important research. But I really wonder why you suggested it because it actually agrees with us and even destroys the underlying premise of the entire field! A pretty useful paper that might be worth citing in future articles on the topic, in fact.
Firstly, their conclusion is that "if even a powerful and well-financed organization like the South Korean secret service cannot instigate a successful disinformation campaign, then this may be more difficult than often assumed in public debates". In other words, the supposed problem motivating this entire field of >10,000 papers doesn't actually exist: even government agencies fail to have impact when they try to sway opinions with Twitter.
Secondly, they accept that our criticisms of the field are correct. "We argue that past research’s predominant focus on automated accounts, famously known as “social bots” ... misses its target since reports on recent astroturfing campaigns suggest that they are often at least partially run by actual humans" and "Because a ground truth is rarely available, systematic research into astroturfing campaigns is lacking".
They also dunk on ML models on page three, and admit that "these studies still largely focus on anecdotes and lack a theory-driven framework" i.e. are more like blog posts than scientific research. These were all points being made by Gallwitz, Kreil and myself years ago.
The paper does have issues! Still, they should get some cred for being honest about their findings, albeit on the penultimate page of a 25 page study. The first sentence of the paper is phrased in a misleading way: they assert that astroturfing on Twitter has the potential to influence politics, but their conclusion is that it actually doesn't. That's a problem that you see a lot when reading papers in some fields.
Paper 3. QAnon Propaganda on Twitter as Information Warfare.
Note that this paper also isn't about bots. It's a complaint about the behavior of real American people. Where is the actual science? Why are you picking this as an example of high quality research? It's not only blatantly partisan, reading more like a Guardian op-ed than a research paper, it starts by citing paper (2), the one that wrecks the whole premise of the field! They are happy to cite it as evidence that they should look for astroturfing instead of bots, but forget to mention that it shows that even an intelligence agency was unable to have any impact on politics by running Twitter campaigns. Yet that doesn't stop them asserting that their line of research is important due to the "innovative misuse of social media towards undermining democratic processes by promotion of magical thinking".
This sort of problem is rampant in published research. I've seen it so often that a paper cites another paper which directly undermines the conclusions of the first, yet the authors don't address or even mention it. This sort of thing is just deceptive. If they want to cite paper (2) then they need to tackle its conclusion.
The rest of it is just US Democratic Russiagate talking points. Getting into the accuracy of that is a book-sized job and and not about science, so I won't do that here, there are many such debates on the internet.
So that's your three papers. One is OK but not very valuable, one ends up (unintentionally?) wrecking the premise of the other ~10,000+ papers and one isn't even scientific research. It's unclear how they were picked but if these are really the best examples of high quality research from the field then, indeed, who really cares if Musk cuts it all off.
Even then a lot of people are against the high cost
They are. Loudly and consistently. Academics largely abhor the academic publishing industry, but feel trapped by it.
Yt, for sure.
I think it is fair to say this is a moving topic
They'll do both.
Yes, you can try to block people doing that, but historically people haven't succeeded.
If there is money to be made, he's not going to pass it up. Why not charge and sell your attention to the highest bidder at the same time? It's the literal cable model and it's proven to work for 50 years.
you know those are just the same thing right?
Maybe a few apps, but Twitter seems to rather they not exist.
Anyone else really make any money?
Twitter is a weird place, I’m not sure how to make money off of it, or who does that’s would care to pay enough for the service?
Alas the zombie entity will persist, people will stay here, but this is absolutely the death of this as a public social space, and the start of a dark new pay-to-play world for Twitter where only the very-few have real capabilities.
This is the death of the spirit of the project. May it hopefully wreck & burn fast.
The pretense of Twitter's usefulness will take too long to flail fade & fail, and it's not so instantly notable to consumers, but this is the most epic & rapid grade #enshittification a once valuable & once core internet service that the planet has ever witnessed. This is a complete fall from grace & capability. Nothing remains, nothing of value is left to the world.
Tim O'Reilly famously said, "create more value than you capture." Twitter is no longer a place that creates value. It is now a Scrooge McDuck potemkin village, profiteering off an image that it no longer deserves. Burn, fucker, burn, burn the fuck down, you vile traitorous, disrespectful pieces of shit that have ruined everything about the idea. Perish. New Twitter stands against humanity.
Ex: Nitter operates without official APIs.
Edit for context: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1587312517679878144
If you click on his checkmark it tells you that he's a legacy verified account and does NOT pay for Twitter Blue.
I’m sure pre-Musk Twitter got far more than $8/mo out of King posting on the site.
Twitter needs celebreties more than celebreties need a blue check mark
1. Some fun (the 420 comments) and shocking people. 2. Market research to see how people react to various prices (A/B testing while trying and backing out of bad decisions) 3. Free press - good or bad, it's in the news and he must be getting some benefit out of the attention.
Not a fan of this approach and hoping everything lands in a fair place.
Of course if you paid the full firehose, it would be much more expensive
I've literally got the email right here: "As I mentioned on the phone, we structure them as a monthly subscription based on an annual agreement. Variables that affect pricing are the APIs you use to get data and the amount of data you consume each month. Our smallest packages fall between $5,000-$8,000 per month."
The price they quoted me, over the phone, was 6k. Doesn't mean we took it (we didn't) but that was what they were asking for. I know others that were paying 5k/mo.
And I know others who still had free accounts from way back in the day. Everyone is being swept up now.
META might go on attack mode.