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Arent women making more than men now in the younger generation? Below 30 they are blowing men out of the water in terms of income and educational achievement.

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No. They are not. They are still earning less than men:

"the wage gap is smaller for workers ages 25 to 34 than for all workers 16 and older. In 2022, women ages 25 to 34 earned an average of 92 cents for every dollar earned by a man in the same age group – an 8-cent gap. By comparison, the gender pay gap among workers of all ages that year was 18 cents."

Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/03/01/gender-pay-...

I think they probably misremembered the stat that young, single women are making more than young, single men in some metro areas.

Limiting it to single people shrinks the gap because single women make more than married women while single men make less than married men. Cherry-picking specific metro areas also helps.

You make a lot of claims here (which I have a hard time believing on face value). Can you back-up any of this?

First Google result: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/28/young-women...

What is the purpose of this statistic if it is not comparing the prices of the same labor?

Fine, go here and look at the PDF (also linked). However its from 2020 though most other research suggest snot much has changed. Still very representative.

https://iwpr.org/iwpr-issues/esme/the-gender-wage-gap-by-occ...

https://iwpr.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/2021-Occupationa...

I am surprised (but maybe not so much) on the number of people who seem so quick to dismiss gender inequality in pay.

Requesting relevant data is not "dismissing" anything.

Also, a seller that shops around more often for buyers would be expected to earn more than a seller than shops around less frequently.

Is it possible that women shop around less and men shop around more? I can give myself and my wife as an example. She values stability at work and being able to flex time so she can be available for the kids, so she stays put in her job where she has a favorable work environment. I do not care as much about being available for the kids and am willing to risk new workplaces, so I hop around. If we had the same job, the statistics would show she is getting paid less and I am getting paid more, but it would have nothing to do with man or woman.

I would guess women are getting paid less due to discrimination, but I am also guessing there are multiple factors at play.

"The controlled gender pay gap is $0.99 cents for every $1 men make, [...]. The controlled pay gap tells us what women earn compared to men when all compensable factors are accounted for — such as job title, education, experience, industry, job level, and hours worked. This is equal pay for equal work."

https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-ga...

"It should be noted that Payscale’s crowdsourced data weights toward salaried professionals with college degrees. When analyzing by race, we restrict our sample to those with at least a bachelor’s degree."

Makes sense. Labor-intensive jobs tend to have higher pay, as well as being nearly exclusively male.

With all due respect, the comparisons need to be on a career to career basis. The above numbers are so misleading it is sad

Fixed it for you...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35084580

Would you like me to bing/google more research on this for you?

Pro-tip: go to www.google.com and search for the terms "gender pay gap by profession" (without quotes)

Shortcut: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gender%20pay%20gap%20b...

Profession is only one of the controlled variables. You also have to account for hours worked, experience, etc. As I linked in the other comment, the controlled pay gap (once you account for everything) is $0.01.

https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-ga...

They are, but that is a hate fact.

What is a “hate fact”?

Presumably facts that imply politically incorrect statements. The most obvious one would be "despite being x% of the population, [group] commits y% of the crimes".

It's a mocking reference to how people can dislike it when facts that don't match their ideology are presented in a discussion. In this case, someone who wants the focus to be on women might be irritated when facts about men falling behind are presented.

>Below 30 they are blowing men out of the water in terms of income and educational achievement.

source?

Clickbait news sites.

I suspect OP is referring to articles about how young women make more money than young men in some metro areas.

You can look at actual nation-wide data from the BLS: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t03.htm

they don't have a source. or their claim is that women over 30 are making more than young men (read: have been working for more than a decade than their younger male counterparts).

The educational part is just true. It's been trending that way for years and years. Easily googleable. Not even controversial in education circles—the data are hard to ignore, and it's openly discussed as a problem (solutions, however, are hard to come by).

I'm not so sure about the income thing.

[EDIT] Some links—far from exhaustive, again, this is such a slam-dunk thing as far as the data go that it's regarded as a fact even by quite-liberal circles of teachers and education researchers, there's not a conservative/liberal divide on whether it's happening (what to do about it—there, differences may be observed).

Edutopia:

https://www.edutopia.org/article/boys-are-falling-behind-wha...

Brookings:

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/10/12/boys-left...

UN/UNESCO:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/04/1115802

(perhaps surprisingly, some aspects of the phenomenon are global)

The World Bank (I double-checked, this is really them, not some group with a similar-looking domain):

https://blogs.worldbank.org/education/what-about-boys-addres...

Financial Times:

https://www.ft.com/content/3b2509f2-fda2-11e8-aebf-99e208d3e...

Et cetera, it just goes on and on like that, pick a source you respect and decent odds you can find them reporting on this at some point.

Actual studies abound (it's a topic of active study in education research) but I'm not going to go dig through Library Genesis for them right now.

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