It's reddit content, and really should stay there.
It's factually really relevant to hacker news.
It's about a technology innovator, Musk, who has behaved in a way which actively stifles innovation from other unique thinkers - like people who have muscular dystrophy and are pursuing remaining in the public sphere, themselves helping to refine human technology for everyone's benefit.
It's fine being on Reddit as well.
I get it. Musk is polarizing, he has fanboys and haters. I don't care much for what either has to say about him, because their reaction to whatever he does is mostly emotional and emotional responses aren't that interesting. Everyone who's ever had emotions knows how they feel, and I'm not learning anything from knowing that you hate Musk.
It can feel good to get together with like-minded individuals and talk to each other about how much you hate someone, how terrible they are and how you are right and all that (or the opposite, which I'd flag too). I'm not trying to deny you that, I just don't think that it has to happen here, as there are places which are already serving that role specifically.
At the same time, there aren't many other places that avoid it and aggregate interesting content that is curated by people from lots of different backgrounds and where you have a chance to find something that you would've otherwise never been in contact with. I believe that's more important than group-validation of shared dislike.
Online rage, celebrity gossip, cults and anti-cults, ideological battle, internet tropes, and personality drama are all destructive to the intent of HN. This topic is rich in all of those and then some. There's no curiosity here, no interesting new things, no respectful or playful exchange—just people hammering on what they already feel, going after their objects of hatred and each other. That's not what HN is for, and destroys what it is for.
If anyone assumed otherwise, now would be a good moment to review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and recalibrate one's image of what HN is supposed to be!
Edit: I just inserted "or celebrities" into the guidelines. It was already implied, but it won't hurt to make it explicit.
Don't you think that certain links can be newsworthy despite generating predictably ugly discussion threads?
It does seem that you're saying the site is not about news per se.
You seem to have this personal weird exception to the guidelines, which is "Please submit the original source... unless it's a corporate press release." ;-) But you still allow meta-links about corporate press releases, which may put the PR in larger perspective but don't otherwise clearly gratify intellectual curiosity.
I'll diss the corporate press release any day! Beyond that I'm not sure I follow your specific point. What do you think we should do differently?
The question is why HN allows a meta-link about a corporate PR (for example, a Verge story about the PR, since you don't like the direct link) but not something like this? Why is "Corporation X announces Y" intellectually interesting, but this isn't?
Anyway, if this submission remains flagged, then this newer one should be flagged too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35063232
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35060935
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35061369
* "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." -- is what I'm noticing from the Guidelines. I dismissed @luckylion (hi!) as categorizing this subject as being off-topic for HN.
Reframing in the context of the Guidelines:
I learn from the topic an appreciation for Accessibility (the technology-area that enables marginalized groups). Specifically, how it can be possible for a severely handicapped designer to contribute, greatly in this case, only having the use of fingers for up to 2 hours.
And I learn, how bias by leadership poses difficulties countering it non-linearly / disproportionately to that marginalized individual. Specifically the disabled ex-employee contacted the CEO through Tweeting, the next-most-convenient technology route after failing to successfully use corporate facilities (https://twitter.com/anothercohen/status/1632931816750346242).
It is hard in my experience to contradict and correct the dominant paradigm when it's at fault. As a technologist, I think about the problems society faces, in this case posed by Twitter Inc's reliance on Tweeting, to a disabled individual.
So I did/do think this subject is appropriate for HN - it's something to be built on; I disagree with the subject's flagging since many of the spin-off discussions are what deserve flagging for "celebrity" character politics.
Certainly the key-takeaway, ADA / Civil Rights violation + character-maligning by innovator of another innovator, is dressed-up in "celebrity". Though not tragic; the now-fired disabled employee seems to be excelling at life.
- VCs
- Tesla Shareholders
- Tesla Owners
- Twitter Employees
- SpaceX Employees
- General analysts of what really makes for the success of Tech Companies. The presence of the CEO or it's thankful leave of absence at the controls.
- General admirers of human imperfections
- Promoters of AI has a better deserving custodian of the Planet
- Remote bored Aliens, with a lifespan of 50,000 years, and a curated HN feed, laughing their 4 mouths off out of our primitive illogical egos.