Just because they can lie and fudge statistics doesn’t mean they are poor or weak. If it’s so great why aren’t you there though?
Just think about how weird that is. I increasingly believe that such hypocrisy simply indicates bad faith.
You feel like it’s your right to defend your country but it’s strange you want to defend your country and not your people. Majority of people here opening admit the faults in their own countries yet when it comes to China you pop out your red scarf and make sure your family back home don’t get a call. But you call that weird and hypocrisy.
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Edit: as a side note my original message was criticism of the CCP, not China.
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No I am not defending China from "any form of criticism". I am defending China from your criticism because I think yours is unjust and/or wrong. Big difference.
There are legit points of criticisms. But you are not raising them. Instead, what you are raising is the sort of stereotypical hysterical character assassination that's propagated by mainstream Anglo media. That I will gladly oppose.
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I have had many many conversations with people about China, and by now it's clear that the mantra "I am only against the CCP, not the people" is blatantly disingenuous. We are in a Cold War with the Anglo MSM spouting anti-China hysteria day by day, creating an atmosphere which implicates common Chinese people and other common Asian people as potential CCP spies. This hysteria also contributes to popular support for a war against China. But as anti-Asian attacks in many countries reach a high, I don't see many of these supposed "loving the people and only hating the CCP" figures speak up about that. It's abubdantly clear that we common people are, in such figures' eyes, merely good enough as cannon fodder in a holy war against the CCP. It doesn't matter that the common people are implicated and yet the mantra "loving the people" goes on.
Your comments are the very manifestation of this disingenuity. Apparently your "love" for the people only covers those who agree with you.
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The Chinese people are not China the country? This sort of rethoric is just like "love people hate CCP" mantra: sounds nice in theory, but rings hollow in practice and doesn't stand up to scrutiny. US sanctions against China hurt common Chinese people. US escalating military tensions in SCS and developing consent for war, hurts people. Who stands up for that? Not the HN crowd that's for sure.
Meanwhile,the CCP has 95M members, or 5% of the population. Pretty much everybody has a releative that's a party member. But the Anglo media and govt coalitions are pushing the idea that anybody who has the slightest "links to the CCP" is a threat. This has ruined the lives of a great many American Chinese engineers and scientists. Who stands up for that?
I'll give you the answer in case you didn't get the hint. For all its faults, the Chinese state is the only entity that actually protects Chinese people. They are flawed, but they are all we have.
When a war occurs with China because of this hysteric environment, Chinese people become cannon fodder. So, no sir: defending China and criticizing this anti-China hysteria is defending the people.
They've already taken a side with a country determined to wipe the identity of tens of millions of people from the earth and do so with tanks, shells and hundreds of thousands of armed men. What is there to defend there? How many tens of thousands of people must be murdered for their soil for China to disavow it's unlimited friendship?
Anti-Asian discrimination cost Chinese restaurants $7.4 billion during the pandemic's first year, new study finds https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/977098
A majority of Americans (55%) support limiting Chinese students studying in the U.S. https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/03/04/most-americans...
Nearly 90% of the defendants charged with spying are of Chinese heritage. This includes citizens with connections to Taiwan, Hong Kong, and long-standing Chinese diaspora communities in Southeast Asia https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/12/02/1040656/china-in...
The environment is pushing the idea that there's a commie under every bed, so they're massively charging many innocent people, and you deny this is hysteria and even look the other way?!
Now you are even engaging in whataboutism for the 2nd time, right after having accused me of doing it.
For all your talk about being only against the CCP, you sure show that you don't care about the people. You're blatantly denying anti-Asian racism that's flared up as a result of all this hysteria.
"Olaf Scholz suggested that Germany received bilateral assurances from China that it won't supply Russia with weapons for its war against Ukraine.
EU Commission President von der Leyen said she had seen "no evidence" of Chinese considerations to send arms."
https://www.politico.eu/article/china-ukraine-war-russia-wea...
So you're essentially saying that it's okay to attack Asians in the west even though China has not actually supplied weapons to Russia!?!?!
You seem to care alot more about how Chinese people are perceived abroad than you are at home. While covid coming from China caused increased racism against Asian people in the west, it pales in comparison to the human rights violations that occur on a daily basis in China.
Tho I guess welding people into their homes, separating children, killing animals, genocide against an entire ethnic population, social credit system, millions of homes forclosed, banks stealing money and destorying peoples lives, etc. It's all fake western news.
We know this is all fake because harvard released a paper detailing the results of a survey done by a chinese company in a country where all research and surveys must be reviewed by the CCP before being released told us that 98% of the country loves the CCP.
How does flooding the media with such claims improve human rights in China? They achieve no positive effects for anyone in China: sanctions and war only hurt people. They are also spectacularly effective at making the lives of Asians in the west miserable.
Yet you keep myopically focusing on these claims, heedless of the actual harm they do to innocent people, just so that you can feel like you're being virtuous for raising these claims. You are not actually supporting human rights, you are abusing the very concept to feel good about yourself.
Look, I don't know why you keep replying to me. No one buys your propaganda and conspiracy theories and whataboutism. You can keep getting upset all you want but it doesn't change the fact you're doing nothing more than attempting to protect the CCP.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34786906 (Feb 2023)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34227145 (Jan 2023)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29665289 (Dec 2021)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29407968 (Dec 2021)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28590539 (Sept 2021)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22893867 (April 2020)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22880789 (April 2020)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22827321 (April 2020)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22827309 (April 2020)
I hate to ban you, because you've been here a long time and you've posted good things. But this kind of abuse is simply not ok, and if we don't ban accounts that break the rules this badly—not to mention ignore this many warnings—we might as well ban nobody.
If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.