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Here's the thing, if the right actually was honest, they would be supportive of social transitioning, because that is how a kid can figure out their transness. Maybe for some kids, it's an experiment and they're really cis, but for many (because honestly, socially transitioning is not exactly easy in many places), it is a life saving first step in understanding themselves and establishing evidence for medical professionals to warrant medical transitioning at some point.

However, the right is also banning social transitioning. They are not interested in letting kids figure themselves out. They are determined to eliminate trans people.

See the recent CPAC quote from Michael Knowles. This is a conference participant calling for the elimination of transgender people.

Trans people are not a hypothetical for cis people to discuss. We exist and have existed throughout history. Many cultures have ways of recognizing multiple genders. The idea that we should be eliminated should be horrifying on its own terms, never mind, that historically people do not stop with the elimination of one group. Eventually they come for others.

> Here's the thing, if the right actually was honest, they would be supportive of social transitioning, because that is how a kid can figure out their transness.

Local story... Boy who claims to be female and goes into the girls locker room to watch them change. He doesn't actually change or participate. Just a spectator. The girls try to hide from him. It's pretty clear by the details that he's a peeping tom just there to ogle the girls. One of the girls speaks up about how uncomfortable he has made life and many girls no longer want to change their clothes for gym, even asking for private spaces but this girl is ostracized and vilified by the local media for not being supportive.

It's pretty amazing how we went from being so protective of these spaces. Particularly from sexual predators. To one where we openly allow predatory behavior and tell the reporter of the incident that she is the bad one. Deny them privacy and security.

Numerous reports of trans males dominating girls sports, and from information that is the primary reason for the 'change'.

All these stories of particularly men going trans for transparently selfish reasons of advantage do not help the cause among people who really care about their daughters well being.

Do you have a source for this? Otherwise I’m calling bullshit.

This is dangerous, eliminationist, anti-trans rhetoric that should not be tolerated on HN (or any other forum).

Because a male could never actually pretend to be trans for selfish reasons?

Instead of a mutually beneficial compromise like give everyone private individual dressing spaces and listening to potential victims of trans abuse in gendered spaces. You go full offensive mode on me for even suggesting the possibility.

It seems that you don't want political allies, but rather political subjects...

If you're actually open to seeing the issue there are plenty of stories you can search up on this topic. What I mention is hardly unique, I see them with some frequency.

Ignoring these concerns will just cement the political divide and harden political opponents who want to protect female gendered spaces and youth from predators.

> Because a male could never actually pretend to be trans for selfish reasons?

I've seen a number of perverts in my life, but this one would be on a different level. The amount of bullying that boy would receive from other boys would hardly be compensated by him being able to go into the girl's locker when the whole content of the internet porn is readily available.

> What I mention is hardly unique, I see them with some frequency.

From reputable news sources?

Why would a male even bother to

- take HRT long enough to pass, which is in months if not years

- destroy their libido

- sterilize himself

- gain weight

- reduce the size of his penis

- experience near constant pain on his penis due to atrophy

- have his testicles shrink

- have erectile dysfunction

- experience all that bullying

- risk getting disowned by family

- lose friendships

so that he can commit an __opportunity__ crime?

Do you honestly find that reasonable?

Maybe the problem is not that trans women and girls exist, but that men and boys seem to be opportunistic predators.

If your claim is that the boy or man can just self-id as trans, and then enter the bathroom, then my question is, what stops them from entering it anyway? Why go through all the trouble of a possibly social transition and all that entails just to commit an opportunity crime when they could very well just go in?

None of this is required for a male to claim to have a so-called 'female gender identity' and be admitted to female-only spaces.

Just look at what is happening with prisons in jurisdictions where they have prioritized claims of 'gender identity' over sex. Women have been sexually assaulted, raped and even impregnated by such males. It's horrifying.

Exactly this. It should be a massive red flag that any of these males want to violate the boundaries of women and girls in the first place, knowing fine well that they are not welcome in what are supposed to be female-only spaces. Instead, it's seen as evidence that they should be permitted to do so.

One anecdote that sounds like it should have been handled by the administration of the school much better than it was.

Trans males should not be competing in girls sports. They are only doing so because of the right's insistence on unchangeable biological sex. As to the "primary reason for the change"... you're going to have to provide evidence because that's doubtful. People act like social transitioning is a walk in the park... it's not. People aren't doing it for the incredible benefits of being trans, believe me.

You sound like you have an axe to grind and maybe need to do more research and less believing the falsehoods about trans people.

It's interesting that you choose to make up a story without any anecdotes of someone claiming to be trans to harass women, versus the states and districts passing 'gender inspection' bills legalizing harassment by people that have no right to know/care. Or the known incidents [1] of men following cisgender women into the bathroom thinking they're trans or openly harassing them.

[1] https://www.vox.com/2016/5/18/11690234/women-bathrooms-haras...

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