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That's me. I identify as someone with an artist personality who works in software (right now). Just my mind is wired differently to all those engineers. Always has been. I'm like: more intuitive, more feeling, more flexible...less in need of concrete distinctions, less prone to be literal, less inclined to believe that I have all the answers and believe anything beyond what I know cannot exist. And many more...it's tough hanging out with all you engineers sometimes. I don't like stereotypes, but this one I have of the typical eng is born of much experience. I don't want it to be this way! Maybe it's not as tough for me as it is for you to hang out with artist types like me...

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Being blunt, it sounds to me like you're using wildly inaccurate personality stereotypes to generalise horribly about both software engineers and artists. A software dev who is inclined to believe they have all the answers is a bad software dev. And the idea that artists all need to be intuitive, and flexible is, based on my experience of many artists, laughable.

Try finding a broader range of developers and artists to spend time around. Your world view may expand.

Why be mean for? I open myself up and share something vulnerably here, and how do you respond? You try to invalidate it. That's not very nice.

I have my experience of it. That yours differs, why do you need to invalidate mine? Why can't we both exist? No I think it is maybe your world view that needs to expand, son, and by not being inclusive of mine, but instead trying to shoot it down you are displaying the very same inflexibility that I identified which you simultaneously pretend does not exist! Ha!! :) ;p xx ;p

Think about that next time before you're "blunt". A blunt instrument has limited use....even for artists! ;p :)

Your attempt to dichotomize the world is insulting to people who have been, and are, both--sometimes at the same time. That's why you got the reaction you did, and your doubling down is, to someone on the receiving end, no less unkind than the post you characterize as "mean".

Insulting how? Well then if you get insulted by that you're not "both". You're probably not even one.

That's why I got the reaction? No, I got the reaction because that guy's insecure he's not an artist, and he's choosing to be a little meanie.

Oh I see, so you're a victim now? Of your own misinterpretation? Wilful wanting to see a fault so you can claim to be right? Pathological need to be "victimized" to justify attacking someone?

Look the bottom line is, you wouldn't be unhappy if you didn't think it was true. So don't blame me if it's true for you. If you don't like it, just fix yourself.

Being blunt isn't mean, that's the problem with feelings.

No but it can be. It all depends. That why you need to consider feelings. The problem is not with feelings, it's with people's behavior when they act inconsiderately. Don't you got that?

Where do you hang out? Can I come?

Ugh. :pl

Jungian personality stereotypes never paint the whole picture, but are definitely useful as long as you don't see it as black and white.

Intuitive feelers ("artist types") often clash with observant thinkers ("engineer types") according to the theory and I've experienced this a lot, too.

> prone to be literal

That one correlates with engineers in my experience. It's a precision in specification thing.

> less inclined to believe that I have all the answers and believe anything beyond what I know cannot exist

That one doesn't. That's intellectual inadequacy.

Intuition is a close approximation to making the right choice with inadequate information, aka "successful engineering".

Thanks Jon. I agree, "That's intellectual inadequacy." is a good term to describe. I get you haven't seen it here, but I have.

I think one of the things I base this one is, you see posts on here about aliens, UFOs, remote viewing, right? All of this paranormal psychology stuff. And you see all these replies like: X is impossible (with X being: aliens exist; aliens would visit us; aliens could visit us; aliens are visiting us; remote viewing is real). And people often invariably say: "It's not possible to do X using physics". And I'm like: but physics isn't settled, we don't know everything, it's so arrogant! But they don't budge, they don't care. So it very much is a real thing.

You don't even have to get such common topics--I mean all kinds of non-mainstream topics, which I would love engineers to engage with--they don't. Pandemic: conformity of thinking; all kinds of stuff and they just stick to the mainstream narrative. Anyway, I've definitely seen that. I get if you haven't, but it's out there, man. Hah :)

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