> Are any other manufacturers pushing as hard here?
Why would they. Most of those things are not sustainable.
You don't want alluminium wires in your car.
Why would they. Most of those things are not sustainable.
You don't want alluminium wires in your car.
Why not? I^2*r says that running 75% less current will generate 94% less heat.
Existing copper wires would be a disaster if cars ran on a 3V system. Aluminum at 48V will be fine, as long as it’s sized appropriately the same way copper is today.
Thats not the argument, you can do that now with copper cables.
Aluminium is a good conductor, but it is reactive, brittle and not as malleable as copper.
also, copper has almost half the resistance per meter than aluminium. So even for solid bus bars, it doesn't make that much sense, unless you have structural bus bars.
But 4 times the weight
And twice the resistance doesn’t matter. So you go one gauge bigger. If the material is cheaper, more available, and suitable, that’s fine. We don’t insist on gold wires because they’re “better” than copper.
It’s all tradeoffs. I don’t see a reason to be philosophically opposed to aluminum other than “it’s possible to do it wrong”, which is of course also true for copper.
Indeed, but automotive wiring is subject to intense and persistent vibration and heat cycles. so all those ties become stress points for fatigue to cluster around.
I'm not saying its never a good idea to use an aluminium wire loom, but I'm struggling to find a situation where its required
The place Tesla used this was for fixed rigid bus bars, notably the "cable" from the charge port to the battery.[0]
Previously they used traditional stranded copper. Now it's a solid aluminum conductor, wrapped in insulation and protected by an outer aluminum tube.
These are thick high voltage conductors. I'm sure Tesla did their homework on flex and fatigue.
As for resistance, this is why I mentioned conductivity-to-weight as being the critical metric. Copper is over 3x as dense, at 9.0 g/cm³ vs 2.7 g/cm³ for aluminum. It doesn't hurt that aluminum is cheaper and more abundant.
Additionally, aircraft airframes are regularly inspected and fully radiographed at certain intervals. Components that develop flaws are changed out when the flaws are detected. The same is not true of cars.
Edit: Judging by the picture on this article [1] I am wrong.
[1]: https://hackaday.com/2022/01/13/exploring-tesla-model-s-high...
Where aluminum causes fires is due to the fact that it expands and contracts more than copper does, and it can oxidize and corrode when not properly cared for (for example, when dissimilar metals are used, or when exposed aluminum wire ends are not properly coated).
We can assume that someone at Tesla is familiar with the properties of aluminum and can insure that they are using the right connectors to mitigate these issues. (or at least, we can hope)
Aluminum was used for a short time in the west for household wiring and was quickly outlawed.
Why not?
If Tesla has switched to aluminum I imagine they've found a way to fix that. Possibly by making the entire electrical system out of aluminum, so that it all expands the same way, or possibly a connector designed to avoid that.
Properly terminated, there is no problem with aluminum wiring in your house. As another replier mentioned, most houses do have aluminum wiring in the run to the house and the run from the meter to the panel, and sometimes in the larger runs like stove and dryer.
It's also worth noting that the newer aluminum formulas like Southwire SIMpul, are not like the old aluminum like was installed in my house in the early '70s. But, buyers are still gunshy from the '70s, so copper is generally preferred