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Russia is an amazing country with so much to explore and learn from. It is a shame they are demonized by Western media.

It's a shame they have become demons. They can still turn back, though, just like Germany and Japan were able to do after WW2. Leaving Ukraine can be announced immediately and easily executed in a few months, and then some sort of a healing process would certainly start.

You should do some research on the Ukrainian Nazis. This war is not what the media portrays

What's the point of "research" when actions speak so loudly ?

There are a few reasons why this sentiment is not valid.

1) While Ukraine certainly has nazis, so does every country -- most significantly the aggressor, Russia. Therefore, to use nazis as the reason of the invasion is invalid.

2) Russia's propaganda greatly overstated the significance and impact of those nazis for political reasons, making the whole issue even more doubtful.

3) After Russia launched a war, the fact that Ukraine has nazis became even less significant, and the primary issue now is to get Russia out of Ukraine.

4) "This war is not what the media portrays" doesn't mean anything, because certainly some media (probably Russian) portray the viewpoint you presented.

Can you tell me how does Russian media portray these guys?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group

Study Russian history and you will become depressed. There was never a middle class pushing for liberal ideas and democracy. It's always been authoritarianism and they like it that way.

Couple that with a real belief that Russia is owed an Empire and we need more than healing we need a transformation.

Many russians regarded themselves as European until recently, though. Perhaps not democratic or free though.

Bombarding civilians is only OK if the West does it, you know.

You mean because they're invading a neighbouring country and commiting genocide.

Let's not demonize hitler and the nazis either /s

> and commiting genocide.

Not every war crime is a genocide. Discourse tends to be hyperbolic during wars, but that doesn't mean that we need to go and repeat those hyperboles on HN.

What Russia is doing in Ukraine is unacceptable, and you are absolutely justified to be horrified. But it is not what genocide looks like.

There is a evidence of genocide[0][1]. Their rhetoric is genocidal.

How about about you come out from behind the throw away account, and own your position.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukr...

[1]:https://www.usip.org/publications/2022/09/russia-committing-...

> How about about you come out from behind the throw away account, and own your position.

How about you refrain from ad-personam attacks. It's very hard not to read this comment as a threat, so I'll stop responding and leave that conversation.

If that reads like a threat, you need to work on your English comprehension, comrade

You realize that the Nazis still exist and are Ukrainian, right?

Have you wondered whether you are the bad guys ?

These Nazis? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group

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