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"Between 2007 and 2018, the suicide rate among Americans ages 10 to 24 increased by nearly 60 percent."

Right around the time social media garbage bloomed. Weird coincidence.

Also from the article - "The rate of major depressive episodes among U.S. adolescents increased by more than 52 percent between 2005 and 2017." Unless we're suggesting that Facebook was popular enough right at the start to change teen moods (I think it was still limited to colleges at this time?) I feel like there's more layers to this. I'm not saying social media isn't a problem, but I wonder if it's also just a lot of "growing up post 9/11" baggage?

Or post the 2008 crash where everything governments did for young people was slashed...

+1 to this

How many teens had to watch their parent come home and announce that they got laid off from their job and that this year there wasn't going to be a yearly family trip?

There were so many recessions before 2008.

Yearly vacations are a fairly modern thing. My older relatives have stories about not being able to afford food, either due to the depression, or rationing during the war. Car ownership in the US broke 50% mid-century. The majority of my silent-generation relatives never, in their entire lives, traveled more than 100 miles from their birthplace.

Poverty and unemployment continue to exist in other places around the globe, often in places with very low suicide rates.

I wonder if it's the change in the trend rather than the change in the state. My great grandparents came to the US as immigrants with zero wealth in the early 1900's. My grandparents were children during the depression, lived their formative years during WWII and raised "baby boomer" children, and had a modest but comfortable retirement. My dad was the first person in his family to go to college and had a relatively prosperous professional career and a nice big house in the suburbs and we got to experience ~yearly vacations.

I realize that there are many life stories here and this may not be reflective of everybody's expectations, but when I was young (pre-9/11) it felt like part of the zeitgeist that "every generation has it a little better than the last" (at least, in the material sense). Now there seems to be a prevailing sentiment that for the first time in living memory people's conditions in the aggregate are trending downward rather than upwards.

I believe that humans adapt to their environment and I think any one can live a happy life without X or Y luxury, in this case a family trip.

What I’m talking about is a sudden change in normalcy - since you were a kid every year there was a trip. Now there’s not a trip.

If I put you in a loincloth with a club in the wilderness, you might be pretty upset at that. But literally millions (billions?) of our cro magnon ancestors did it just fine.

>no family trip this year

Rich kid problems.

> everything governments did for young people

This is the first time I've heard of this argument. What kinds of things are you referring to?

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