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> Wayland is still unusable

Wait, what have I been doing my work on then? Someone should inform Ubuntu and Fedora, too. Who knew it hasn’t been possible to use the most popular Linux distro out of the box for two years?

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YMMV. When it reaches the level of X11 that "just works for everyone without preconditions" it will become usable in my coordinate system

X11 is not usable for everybody without preconditions though.

Exactly, there's hundreds of lines of illegible X configuration for every such "just works" setup.

There's a difference between "the community has learned to deal with it" and "just works".

I honestly don’t get people, like were these people just extremely lucky and never had to tweak anything? Like, I remember times when I had to blindly log into my user and try to fix my setup from there, purely by muscle memory.

> I honestly don’t get people, like were these people just extremely lucky and never had to tweak anything?

Yeah, that's about how I feel about Wayland. I'm not sure quite why there are two groups of people with such wildly different experiences talking past each other, but I suspect it comes down to what each user wants the software to do and what hardware they're running on.

I remember in the early 2000s still needing to write to a config file to get X to work on my desktops at the time. Was it 30 years old at that time? I've been running Wayland crash free for a few years already, without the need to touch a single config file. Does that mean it reached better usability at least twice as fast compared to X?

I remember having to tweak Xorg.conf in the late 00s. The X11 xkcd[1] is from 2011.

[1]: https://xkcd.com/963/

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