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This one time, a colleague of mine was working from home and we had a meeting and when I joined the video call I thought that we had someone new joining the meeting... except when my other colleague said "Hi [HER_NAME]" and I realized who it was. I was shocked that it was the same person.

What beauty filters do can be done using make up... except make up is more deceiving because since we see it in front of our eyes, we are more likely to believe it.

Make up did not change beauty standards and this won't either.

I am looking forward to the time when everyone will look amazing and everyone can live in it their whole lives, never having to see anyone ugly... when all of us transition to living our whole lives in the metaverse.

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> Make up did not change beauty standards and this won't either.

Make-up literally did change beauty standards though.

Make up won’t save you from ugly facial features or deformities.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the basis GP was using for making that claim, but based on the experiences of women I've talked to about this, it's almost universally understood that interactions in almost any social context will be affected if a woman chooses not to wear makeup. I'd highly suggest to any man who doesn't believe this to ask women in their life who would be open to this sort of discussion to honestly ask about this; I think you'll be surprised how much the choice of whether to wear makeup affects even professional life for women. A coworker at a camp I worked at after my freshman year of college who did freelance work during the year said clients would agree to higher rates when she interviewed wearing makeup compared to without makeup. This isn't an isolated thing; a quick google found a reddit[1] threat discussing this topic where server discuss making larger tips based on not just the presence of makeup but also based on specific types of looks (e.g. the shade of lipstick). One commenter even mentioned that they're _required_ to wear makeup to work.

Makeup quite literally added an extra artificial step that society decided was required for women to be taken seriously in professional contexts. You might be able to make the argument that professional standards are as high for men appearance-wise (although I'd personally be skeptical of such a claim), but if you think that makeup didn't cause the standards to change for women, you're deluding yourself.

[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/MakeupAddiction/comments/1ihkf7/que...

And people (men mostly) don't understand that the "no makeup" look is, in many cases, in fact a lot of makeup applied with skill.

What men hate is excessive, badly done makeup. Most men would prefer the 'natural looking', which is actually makeup, but well done. People wouldn't notice a good makeup, but a bad one they will remember. Most men wouldn't love no makeup.

This is the same issue as with plastic surgery. What people don't want is overdone and/or bad plastic surgery.

Very few people notice the good ones and just think it's natural.

Make-up does affect beauty standards very much.

Teenage girls are crowding the make-up sections in my local drug stores and most 15 year olds I encounter are wearing some kind of makeup nowadays. Even boys have started using make-up, although more subtle to conceal pimples and such.

When all these fools go to live in the "metaverse" the rest of us will be laughing.

30 years ago, people would probably say the same thing to the idea of social media and people living their lives on their phones.

Well they would be right.

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