Indian opposition leader arrested, few under house arrest in Delhi, India
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Manish Sisodia is the man behind Education Revolution in the capital of India. He transformed the public schools in New Delhi with an aim to provide quality education to children from less privileged families. His work has seen praise all of the world and his policies has been a part of various studies. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
[1] https://www.educationnext.org/inside-the-delhi-education-rev... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/16/world/asia/india-delhi-sc... [3] https://www.brookings.edu/research/state-led-education-refor... [4] https://library.oapen.org/handle/20.500.12657/58944 [5] https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/delhi-education-s...
[1] https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/sisodia-arrested-b...
In any functioning democracy, government should not be able to arrest members of their opposition parties or journalists just based on allegations.
If an alleged scam of 100 Crore rupees is really a reason of arrest then why Adani is not arrested yet with an alleged scam and money laundering of thousands of crore rupees?
140 Cases Filed Against different AAP MLAs and Members, 72 Disposed of, Just 1 Conviction So Far [1]
Another example where they arrested a journalist. The journalist stayed in jail for 28 months before a court granted him bail. [2]
[1] https://www.news18.com/news/india/140-cases-filed-against-aa...
[2] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/846-days-timeline-of-s...
Not different than many different than many other democracies, lots of suspects held in custody without conviction: https://www.americasquarterly.org/fulltextarticle/prisons-in...
> In any functioning democracy, government should not be able to arrest members of their opposition parties or journalists just based on allegations.
What is your yardstick for a functioning democracy?
> If an alleged scam of 100 Crore rupees is really a reason of arrest then why Adani is not arrested yet with an alleged scam and money laundering of thousands of crore rupees?
Who says there was such a scam? The Hindenburg group did say, but they are a short seller who allegedly benefited from falling prices of Adani's stocks. And their word is not a valid authority in Indian law to book a case against anyone.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
>> What is your yardstick for a functioning democracy?
In any functioning democracy, government should not be able to arrest members of their opposition parties or journalists just based on allegations.
>> Who says there was such a scam? The Hindenburg group did say, but they are a short seller who allegedly benefited from falling prices of Adani's stocks. And their word is not a valid authority in Indian law to book a case against anyone.
Exactly! Who says Manish Sisodia did a scam? The BJP government did say, but they are a ruling party who will benefit from keeping their opponents in jail/courts.
Absolutely. I am saying you are picking and choosing as per your convenience. People get arrested all the time, just because it was a minister it made headlines. I only wish people rotting in jail (in all countires) with no charges against them had a voice, just like AAP government
> In any functioning democracy, government should not be able to arrest members of their opposition parties or journalists just based on allegations.
I wanted to know from you what country is a good example of a functioning democracy. Not what is your idea of a functioning democracy.
> Exactly! Who says Manish Sisodia did a scam? The BJP government did say, but they are a ruling party who will benefit from keeping their opponents in jail/courts.
CBI did. They are a law enforcing authority in India and they decided that arrest is the correct course of action in this case.
Thats why I am here trying to be the voice for someone that got arrested.
>> I wanted to know from you what country is a good example of a functioning democracy. Not what is your idea of a functioning democracy.
Honestly, I don't know which country is perfect. But I think United states is bit better as we discussed in other comments.
>> CBI did. They are a law enforcing authority in India and they decided that arrest is the correct course of action in this case.
CBI is directly controlled by BJP Centre Government. Anyone who thinks CBI is independent must be living under a rock. Here is an old statement from Modi about it when he was not a PM: [1]
[1] https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/349075193714577408
Not sure what do you mean by "they turned a blind eye", but:
>> 140 Cases Filed Against AAP MLAs and Members, 72 Disposed of, Just 1 Conviction So Far
>> Of the 140 cases against the party analyzed by News18.com, only one has resulted in conviction while 72 have ended in acquittals, discharges or settlements. Of the remaining, 39 are pending and the rest have either been stayed, or are cases where the charge-sheet has not been filed yet.
https://www.news18.com/news/india/140-cases-filed-against-aa...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/23/pawan-khera-...
https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/delhi-court-acquits-aap...
Who has used these words on record for opposition leaders: 'Jersey Cow', 'Congress ki Vidhwa', 'Maunmohan', '50 Crore girlfriend'?
Nobody is a king including the pm. it is about the land of the law.
> Who has used these words on record for opposition leaders: 'Jersey Cow', 'Congress ki Vidhwa', 'Maunmohan', '50 Crore girlfriend'?
did someone file a case? can you share a reference if there is one?
Its may also be called "Selective enforcement".
>> did someone file a case? can you share a reference if there is one?
I wonder if there is any policeman brave enough who will register a FIR against the PM. This is what happened with Rahul Gandhi asked questions in parliament about relations of PM Modi and Adani. Isn't opposition's job to ask questions and Government's job to provide answers in a democracy?:
>> Rahul's allegations against the PM regarding industrialist Gautam Adani were expunged from the Lok Sabha records on Tuesday. As the House assembled, Parliamentary Affairs Minister Prahlad Joshi urged the Speaker to look into the privilege notice. "Rahul Gandhi's baseless remarks should be expunged and action should be taken against him," he said. [1]
This is another sad story of a police officer who "took on Modi". A police officer got suspended and now sentenced to life for an old case after he went against Modi:
>> The Gujarat government had originally appealed the court to drop charges against Bhatt and other policemen in the 1990 custodial death case. However, after Bhatt's affidavit against Modi, the Government withdrew its application, and the court initiated criminal proceedings against the policemen. [2]
[1] https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/remarks-on-pm-modi-...
[2] http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/the-man-who-took-on-mo...
Which law?
Look at the meaning of each section below and you can see how they can add all random sections into the police report to arrest you.
- 153A Promoting enmity between different groups on grounds of religion, race, place of birth, residence, language, etc., and doing acts prejudicial to maintenance of harmony. [2]
- 153B(1) Imputations, assertions prejudicial to national-integration. [2]
- 500 Punishment for defamation [2]
- 504 Intentional insult with intent to provoke breach of the peace. [2]
- 505(1)(b) and 505(2) Statements conducing to public mischief. [2]
[1] https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-natio...
> Second Exception.—Public conduct of public servants.—It is not defamation to express in a good faith any opinion whatever respecting the conduct of a public servant in the discharge of his public functions, or respecting his character, so far as his character appears in that conduct, and no further.
You can't criminalise politicians calling each other names and still claim to be a democracy.
The central government is becoming increasingly authoritarian and arresting opposition politicians.
In Punjab the Sikh separatists are beginning to make moves.
In South India there is also increasing separatist sentiments with many feeling the central government is forcing them to learn Hindi. The same is happening in West Bengal.
The 1980s and 1990s saw the assassinations of the sitting Prime Minister of India, the sitting Chief Minister of Punjab, the just-retired Army Chief and the former Prime Minister with simultaneous deadly insurgencies in multiple states with a death toll exceeding 100,000.
If the country didn't split up then, there is virtually no chance of that happening today.
> The central government is becoming increasingly authoritarian and arresting opposition politicians.
Nothing out of the ordinary for central and state governments in India. The current Home Minister was arrested, and the current Prime Minister was subjected to a grueling investigation, by the previous government. State governments routinely arrest local opposition politicians and journalists for various reasons.
> In South India there is also increasing separatist sentiments with many feeling the central government is forcing them to learn Hindi.
The nativist movement in Tamil Nadu has nothing to do with Hindi. And it is no where as strong as it was 50 years back.
Ok
> The central government is becoming increasingly authoritarian and arresting opposition politicians.
Hmm
> In Punjab the Sikh separatists are beginning to make moves.
AAP government is releasing Amritpal (separatist guy) without any charges, whose supporters attacked Punjab police [1] in yesterday's news. I am not saying AAP was trying to bargain with centre but there is a hint of connection.
> In South India there is also increasing separatist sentiments with many feeling the central government is forcing them to learn Hindi. The same is happening in West Bengal.
I am in the south and nothing much is happening about 'separatism' here. parties are/were/will be anti hindi but it is business as usual. It definitely isn't a BJP stronghold (except, may be, Karnataka) and that is the card regional parties use to get attention.
[1] https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2023/feb/25/punjab-c...
Sounds very similar, but above is from Holocaust encyclopedia. [1]
[1] https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-nazi-r...
Just one example here:
President Obama has done 163 press conferences in 8 years, and all the data is public for everyone to see. [1]
While PM Modi in the same amount of time did 1 (?) press conference. And has never answered any question even in that one. There is no data available on press conferences as a reply to RTI. [2] [3] [4]
Press is one important pillar of democracy. Where is democracy if you are not answering to people and only playing one sided scripted monologue.
[1] https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/presidential...
[2] https://www.reuters.com/article/india-election-modi/at-his-f...
[3] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/rti-pmo-pm-narendra-mo...
[4] https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/opinion/why-hasnt-pm-mod...
Also, I can ignore the papers for a moment. Can you tell me how many unscripted press conferences PM Modi did in last 8 years? Please don't count 1-1 interviews to Movie stars, or 1-1 scripted meetings in closed tv studios. I am asking for any public press conferenced where he is taking questions from 5-6 journalists form different organizations. The one hour radio monolog also does not count as a press conference.
To know why open press conferences are important for a democracy, you can read more here:
United States also have different official channels and they all do their thing on their level. But that does not mean that PM/President gets a free run.
"With great power comes great responsibility"
People have voted and they are okay with his decisions. He got more votes than his previous elections
> United States also have different official channels and they all do their thing on their level. But that does not mean that PM/President gets a free run.
Who decides that? Only elections can. Let's see what happens in the next general elections
> "With great power comes great responsibility"
Yes, CBI had to take some unpopular decisions. But they did
>> Who decides that? Only elections can. Let's see what happens in the next general elections
Seems like we have went full circle. So I am pasting my comment again.
"The Nazi Party’s meteoric rise to power began in 1930, when it attained 107 seats in Germany’s parliament, the Reichstag. In July 1932, the Nazi Party became the largest political party in the Reichstag with 230 representatives" Sounds very similar, but above is from Holocaust encyclopedia. [1]
>> Yes, CBI had to take some unpopular decisions. But they did
CBI is BJP and BJP is CBI. [2]
[1] https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-nazi-r...
[2] https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/349075193714577408
I don't think it means what you think it means.
> Sikh separatists
Khalistanis live in Canada, not Punjab.
> In South India there is also increasing separatist sentiments
I've lived in South India all my life and have never seen anyone express such sentiments.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leader_of_the_Opposition_(In...
Also, Manish Sisodia is Deputy Chief Minister of Delhi, part of AAP, which is a national party of India so I don't think its wrong to use "an opposition leader" for him.
Manish Sisodia is Deputy Chief Minister of Delhi, part of AAP, which is a national party of India. AAP's candidate got highest number of votes agains Modi in Varanasi election, so I think "opposition leader" term can definitely be used for Manish Sisodia.
And I don't think they have arrested him for alleged Liquor scam. If they start arresting people for alleged scams then Adani and several others are much ahead in line.
He is in the government, not in opposition. Correct the title
Every party that isn't in government is by definition an opposition party. You're mixing up the criteria for recognition of the LoP of a house with what an opposition party is.
There is a strong bias in your previous posts and your submissions against the ruling party in India, which has been time and again questioned/ pointed out in your previous submissions. Not that there is anything wrong about it, but again HN may not be the place for political and potentially controversial discussions which can devolve into a flame war.
edit : fixed verbiage.
My posts are about democracy in one of the largest countries of the world. I feel democracy is one of the top area of interest to fellow hackers.
Lastly, AAP is not a regional party. In December 2022, after Gujarat Legislative election, Aam Aadmi Party has fulfilled the criteria for being the 9th national party of India. It is in the middle of the process of getting the official recognition as the National Party by Election commission of India.[1][2]
[1] https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/aap-becomes-indias-9th-...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_I...
* Manish Sisodia is the member of Aam Aadmi Party which is currently ruling New Delhi (Capital of India)
* Modi's BJP party is ruling party at the centre
* Aam Aadmi Party has defeated BJP twice in New Delhi state election
* The Delhi Police/CBI is under control of Modi/BJP government
* CBI has made the arrest so I see it as CBI arresting a leader from a party that is opposition to BJP centre government
Responding to your other concerns: I don't know what's wrong in making a political post by using a throwaway account & backing your claims with references.