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> on a Mac that has scroll bars that are invisible until you scroll

this has got to be one of the worst UX decisions of the past 10 years, come at me. You can just hear the meeting discussion:

A: make the scrollbars invisible until you scroll, that nets us 4% more width!

B: but it reduces discoverability by 50%, and its also an attack vector...

C: ship it!

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I dislike the invisible scroll bars, but I don’t think they’re about width, I think they’re about visual clutter. Apple likes simplicity (yes yes you can find examples where they failed) and this seems to be in keeping with simple design.

Still a bad idea though.

I love this feature, scroll bars are mostly useless, the position indicator should be decoupled and doesn't need to have extra width (can be a mark on the window border), and the security issues are solved by a summary at the top of the list, not a generic scrollbar

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