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Feb 22 marks death anniversary of Sophie Scholl (9 May 1921–22 February 1943)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose

There's a lot more information about her group on this page. They seem to have had a surprisingly large impact even during WWII, in Germany and internationally.

p.s. The 2005 German movie Sophie Scholl: The Final Days is about the group's last 6 days.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0426578/ hash: 145cc9a0ee6337cc2fce407f930e7d71842d9272

I read that article and I don't see any evidence of a surprisingly large impact. There's one report by the SS that the leaflets spread unrest. Of course that was right after Stalingrad, when it became clear that the Nazis had no chance of winning the war any more.

> I read that article and I don't see any evidence of a surprisingly large impact.

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." Sorry, I should've used a more objective phrase than "surprisingly large". I meant, I would have expected the group would have been crushed and noone heard about them around Germany during the war, let alone overseas, when instead, well, reading those two pages I was surprised, and gratified, by the impact they had, during WWII in Germany and around the world, and ever since. What else could my comment mean?!

> Of course that was right after Stalingrad

"Of course" is never a helpful phrase I think, except for patting oneself on the back. What is this, Peep Show?! I can't help hearing that in David Mitchell's voice. e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApslS7RKxYA

One of the under-appreciated greats of history. The White Rose movement was truly incredible, and in large part is responsible for the near-century of peace in Western Europe.

> One of the under-appreciated greats of history. The White Rose movement was truly incredible, and in large part is responsible for the near-century of peace in Western Europe.

White Rose was useless and didn't produced any positive outcomes. All it accomplished was getting some kids dead. And if it was so intellectual, why they didn't tough about making it a bit harder to catch all core members in on swoop?

BTW. any non-violent movement can be easily ignored if alternatively there is no threat of violence. "You can talk with us or alternatively with people willing to put bombs into your car. The choice is yours. You can try neither, but there is non zero possibility that one day bomb in your car will be missed and your successor will be more willing to have a talk."

Examples of the latter:

You can deal with Gandhi or deal with several million Indian nationals who want your heads on pikes.

You can deal with Dr. King or you can deal with Malcom X and the Panthers.

Etc...

> in large part is responsible for the near-century of peace in Western Europe.

I'm sorry, what?

Sometimes I wonder if there are bot accounts on HN.

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If HN guidelines were strictly enforced a sizeable fraction of the userbase would have to go.

It was a small movement that the Nazi's eliminated in the midst of the holocaust. How exactly was it responsible for a near century of peace?

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