An AI porn industry is emerging through Stable Diffusion
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There is the problem of it replacing real jobs, but this is not unique to the field.
The main problem, in my eyes, is AI porn that mimics real people. This is the main place I'd like to see some real restriction.
They also don't think about how easy it will be to identify them in the future as face recognition/matching gets even cheaper.
So are those who are not offended that their employee did some nude modeling or sex work are... careless or inconsiderate in some way?
Should hiring or dating include some kind of background check based on puritanical definitions of "moral character"?
Perhaps people who think that way should wear some kind of scarlet letter. That way I can be sure they'll never be involved in my hiring pipeline.
Also those background checks won't be the official reason these people won't get hired, it's always easy to create an alternative reason, just how it works with agism, sexism and racism.
If they cared about their reputation, they wouldn't be porn stars
In this discussion your choice of words is very important.
While we're at it, we should free up software developers to no longer have to have jobs where their body is on the line, with high rates of scoliosis and carpal tunnel too.
Taking away someone's livelihood without readily having an alternative to immediately substitute is rarely something you're going to be thanked for. There are absolutely abusive porn studios, but there's also a good portion of cottage industry "amateur" porn that's popped up in recent years, where the only "boss" is a site taking their overhead cost for hosting and distribution.
Not that I take issue with the march of progress here. Just saying that someone will be better off without their job is a bit off.
There is a ginormous set of data available to nearly everyone for free. (one way or another) that would provide enormous training input.
If instead you focus on the fact that people were objektives during the making of the porn in the first place then the equatino changes.
In one case it would stop future objectification.
Controls and restrictions are good for people and thus society. We see benefits on limiting food intake, drugs, certain perversion (child, incest etc) and the inverse being no limits etc. associated with obesity, disease and mental health issues. IMO we shouldn't even coin the term "without hurting anyone" because of it's simplistic view of the world and society. AI porn will just feed peoples fetishes to no end and most likely compound the porn crisis further, which is already a public health issue.
This is the same argument used for a lot of things including drug addiction. It's a very easy phrase to throw without thinking of the wider consequences. People do not live in a bubble, we're social animals and another persons ills can have a detrimental effect on society.
Welp, curiosity got the better of me, and I gave in and decided to check it out, but not the anime type that the Techcrunch article seems to have as pixelated examples.
Instead, I ordered some photorealistic AI porn from an artist and it was... wow... the experience was overwhelming.
The girls were literal 10/10 perfections, you would never be able to find humans like that, even among world-class supermodels. They had these very pretty and also very characteristic faces, I have never seen anything like this in reality.
But that's not the scary part.
The scary part was that since this was custom-made by an artist just for me, it contained exactly my fetishes.
In real life, it would be much harder to find 10/10 models doing my fetishes (simply because there are not many 10/10s around, let alone doing porn, and there is a lot of fetishes).
In combination, it was a profound feeling of extasy, I have never experienced something like this before.
I am very worried tbh. Currently, it took a couple hundred dollars and a week to generate that porn, because the artist has to work with special models and do a lot of manual iterations, inpainting, etc, before it becomes even passable, and then even more iterations to make it almost flawless. But I think it's only a matter of time before this becomes automated.
And then I'll probably overdose and fry my brains out during a never ending binge on random-seed generated, precison-engineered, personalized dopamine bombs.
Smartphones in our hands is already putting boredom at risk of extinction. Where humanity will go when we can be exposed to unchallenging content that is precisely what we want 24/7, adapt to be different the moment we start getting slightly tired of current content, divorced from reality, and completely for free is something I can’t really imagine.
A lot of sci-fi deals with people living in VR worlds because they’re unable to cope with real life. Instead we’re on a path to virtual drug addiction but with no possibility of overdose or come down.
I welcome the future where humans have become obsolete.
If you think about addiction simplistically and mechanically, drugs will always be more capable of releasing dopamine than what our bodies are capable of naturally. It would make sense to me that there is a limit to how addictive content can get, when consumed in the usual ways.
This is also a (health) education problem, and at least in Finland problematic social media use has been linked with "moderate/low school achievement, low health literacy, and low parental monitoring"[1] (though if there is causality, it probably goes both ways for some of those).
For what it is worth, for me personally there is a limit after which I get twitchy and need to do some hard or uncomfortable in the physical world to feel good again.
That sounds really boring, lol.
> And then I'll probably overdose and fry my brains out during a never ending binge on random-seed generated, precison-engineered, personalized dopamine bombs.
MDMA is cheaper and overuse will literally fry your brain. I'd be more worried about that. Yanking it to AI porn is a self-limiting endeavor and I assume sitting around in the cold dampness of your shame you will eventually hit rock bottom and post-nut clarity.
If you are truly seeking for a way out you are one of the few people I would suggest hop a plane to a foreign country to frequent a red lights district as your problems go far deeper than just getting stuck on a hedonistic treadmill.
But yeah, teenagers and people who can't or are too afraid to leave the house will be more screwed up by this than regular porn.
I can totally feel the parent poster. This is not about sex per se, this is about absolute sexual beauty that is quite hard to find even in the top secret VIP escort salons, not even talking about the proletariat-style red light districts.
And MDMA has a pretty bad seratonin depletion hangover, if you tried to do it even for a couple days straight, this would be an obvious negative experience and the reason why people actually rarely overdose intentionally.
AI porn definitely has an opportunity to create a pretty bad cheap ecstasy cycle with no massive physical drawbacks and we are definitey heading there.
Well, it isn't true, sorry to disappoint heh. My suggestion for him to go to a red lights district (preferably in another country) is for exposure therapy as he is afraid of human contact in all of its forms.
> This is not about sex per se, this is about absolute sexual beauty
No, it is not about "absolute sexual beauty" or whatever flowery language you want to dress it up in. Porn addiction is a real thing, but people with actual sex lives rarely fall down that rabbit hole.
If you're going to watch a ton of porn you will inevitably get bored and seek out more extreme or niche forms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill
"Top Quality AI Porn" does not have magical powers nor is it some sort of perfection or ideal, it is simply novel. Don't worry, you'll get used to that too with time.
> And MDMA has a pretty bad seratonin depletion hangover, if you tried to do it even for a couple days straight, this would be an obvious negative experience and the reason why people actually rarely overdose intentionally.
I said overuse, not overdose. Certainly don't do it for days on end but rather space it out by months.
Several things you mentioned are going to be terrible for your ability to form future relationships or partake in society. You probably already realize all of these but they aren't what other people will openly point out to you, so maybe hearing it from another human will be good.
1./ Looking to see your fetishes performed by 10/10 models. I have no idea your gender or orientation, or what you consider 10/10, it could be anything. But you know that no one is perfect to anyone else IRL when you spend a few minutes with them. They're human. They fart. If you like farts, they burp. If you like burps, they don't burp. Fantasy is fine but numbing yourself to the point where you only get off on fantasy is a never-ending cycle. The last fantasy 10/10 only gets you off until the next one.
2./ On a more basic level, pulling your trigger (clit, dick, both, whatever) is one of lots of things you can be doing. If you want to spend money on making it nice, that's cool; but it's essentially an infantile experience. Look, if you said the same exact thing about buying a Ferrari and driving it real fast, I'd say the exact same thing about this being infantile. You can let peak experiences take over your brain for an hour or two, or a week, or a month, but this must be ephemeral - temporary - or else they aren't peak experiences anymore.
1 + 2 / Rewiring your brain to constantly seek peak 10/10 experiences is the definition of a drug-seeking addiction. You're recognizing that it's going to interfere with your basic wiring and you haven't even gone full-throttle on it. It's not what will come next in AI that will ruin you... it's you looking for it.
Everything you said here could have been said by someone addicted to child porn or heroin. I'm not equating your harmless use of AI gratification with the negative social implications of those things; I'm just saying that you're already preemptively blaming the fact that it's there because you know that it's fuckin bad for you.
I always said I'd smoke crack and do heroin on my deathbed, but not til then, because I'd like it too much. Fake porn of 10/10s doing your fetishes is just crack. Get a real 4/10 person to do them with you and you'll be a much happier, fuller person with a life and not just a bunch of overstimulated neurons.
Speaking of AI generated visual porn, I wonder why AI Dungeon, Replika and Character.AI shut down all NSFW interactions in their text chat, even if you pay. Maybe ethical concerns?
I was on AI Dungeon in 2020 when they had a GPT-3 backend and no censorship. Holy Cow that was addictive! I bet a large percentage of the population could combine that with stable diffusion and live their whole lives in there!
Bradbury explores (amongst other things) a constantly hedonistic society in Fahrenheit 451:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451
Elements of that also found in Huxley's Brave New World:
Keynes would say something like, "if there are private interests standing in the way of building housing and the like, then burying bank notes in the ground and making people dig them up would be better than... nothing."
https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zaam/replika-ceo-ai-erotic...
I think it will take a loong time, before it gets fully automated and deliver passable results, that are not 100% generic and repetive. But even if:
"And then I'll probably overdose and fry my brains out during a never ending binge on random-seed generated, precison-engineered, personalized dopamine bombs. "
Wouldn't it still simply get boring after a while and you stop watching porn?
If what you say is true, that better-than-real porn can be produced for $200, then porn stars will all be redundant within a year. I think that would be a good thing, as many porn stars are victims of abuse. Although I think more harm will be done to the consumers, it's probably a net win overall.
10/10 like anime woman, not photorealistic.
but not the anime type that the Techcrunch article seems to have as pixelated examplesThere are a couple of problems though. How would the model be trained? It has to process child faces. This is a huge red flag by itself. The second problem is that it might get more people addicted to child porn. If it becomes so easy to access who can tell how many more will find it attractive. And then you’ll end up with a much bigger problem than the one you had when started.
Would you similarly argue gay porn is likely to make more people gay?
Arguably much of it only due to destigmatisation and legislation. But even then it only seems obvious that many people who would otherwise have lived "straight lives" have been "introduced" to homosexuality due to gay porn, as the number of "this makes me question my sexuality" comments under various gay-erotic content show.
The same argument is regularly brought up around drugs. Modifying chemical formulas brings out stuff like 1P-LSD, which is a functional analogue of LSD, but has been legal in lots of countries for years because it wasn't covered by the existing laws. With that argument, you'd expect everyone and their aunt to be tripping, but we didn't. There's a subculture that is interested in psychotropic drugs, but it's small, and availability doesn't increase it.
Nah, the second problem is escalation.
The fear is that once you've burned out on fakes, you start looking for the real stuff (or physical encounters) to get your dopamine fix.
Buying a sex doll with proportions that are closer to a child than an adult is also illegal.
Given that some sex dolls are partial. (not the entire legs for example) the difference can get murky
My references here are to Norwgian law.
In the US this is not true.
Trying to argue that fake pictures of non existent kids doing bad shit is somehow "child porn" is about as dumb as saying Saw (the movie) is an actual snuff film.
Is it vulgar and offensive - of course. Is it child porn - no, because the person in the picture does not exist.
Which I guess makes evolutionary sense - you want to use the fly for pollination, but you can’t be so sexy it completely gives up on procreation, or you run out of pollinators!
(I don't know if such claims are well founded, just that I've heard them).
Just visit r/boltedontits.
gotta love an /r/ with rules that make sense.
Sounds like a great thing. The industry is getting 18 year old women who don't have experience in managing money to sell their body for a few thousand dollars to be shown forever, then their porn value drops dramatically fast.
Also "Only Fans".
Who's getting exploited here-- you or them??
> https://hussiemodels.com/ (NSFW)
Age | Number
18 | 0
19 | 6
20 | 6
21 | 10
22 | 11
23 | 8
24 | 3
25 | 4
26 | 1
27 | 1
28 | 2
29 | 3
30+ | 9
An average of around 24...
From a quick sample.
The big news in the Stable Diffusion land has been the release of ControlNet: https://github.com/lllyasviel/ControlNet. It hasn't gotten much traction on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34761780. It allows you to maintain the shape of existing images (or sketch new ones) and use Stable Diffusion to fill them out, my example: https://twitter.com/LechMazur/status/1626668677473918981.
GPTfans.
Whoever operates it can keep all the simp payments and doesn’t need to share with the sex workers. Just needs an LLM that tells the simps how funny and special they are.
It's like saying "yeah we don't service the entire Chinese and Russian IP block because of risk and lots of hacking coming form there."
I mean it's not exactly pornhub-group numbers, who do actually 'monetize' content they don't quite own.
There should be a mechanism to make sure people dont dive into a rabbit hole and get stuck on whatever type of generated content they want to consume (whether that is porn, conspiration theories, or opinionated content)
Why "marginalized"?