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The amount of Tesla apologism in HN is nasueasting. Per the NHTSA, a safety recall is issued if either the manufacturer or the NHTSA determines that a vehicle or its equipment pose a safety risk or do not meet motor vehicle safety standards. On its face, Tesla's situation clearly calls out for classification as a recall.

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Meh, the term recall conjures images of vehicles having to be taken back to the dealership to get repaired, replaced, or refunded. The recall announced here is just an over the air software update.

It's worth pointing this out.

It’s really not a differentiator. Is it? Issue is still an issue and must be addressed. OTA doesn’t change that.

It certainly is different. Recalls are expensive and annoying for the user, involving drives and waiting times. This is an OTA update.

In the same way that the term "full self driving" or "autopilot" conjures images of vehicles driving themselves?

Not sure that Tesla should be opening the "what do words mean" can of worms right now.

> In the same way that the term "full self driving" or "autopilot" conjures images of vehicles driving themselves?

I disagree with your point here, but whether correct or not you should be consistent: if words conjuring things is important, then the previous commenter's point is valid.

The question you need to be asking is how many of these safety events they have swept under the rug because a fix is always "just an over the air software update" away.

This recall only happened because, god forbid, the NHTSA got off its ass and actually tested something.

>This recall only happened because, god forbid, the NHTSA got off its ass and actually tested something.

Where did you find this info? The article says it was Tesla that did a voluntary recall. The NHTSA was not the one who did any testing and was not involved in the decision. The report, which is linked in the article is authored by Tesla with no involvement from NHTSA.

If I am misinterpreting something I thank you in advance for pointing it out.

Per the chronology:

- On January 25, 2023 [..] NHTSA advised Tesla that it had identified potential concerns related to certain operational characteristics of FSD Beta in four specific roadway environments [..] NHTSA requested that Tesla address these concerns by filing a recall notice.

- In the following days, NHTSA and Tesla met numerous times to discuss the Agency’s concerns and Tesla’s proposed over-the-air (“OTA”) improvements in response.

- On February 7, 2023, while not concurring with the agency’s analysis, Tesla decided to administer a voluntary recall out of an abundance of caution

So yes, it was voluntary in the sense of "you don't want us to force you to do it" and it was indeed the NHTSA testing.

I had the opposite reaction. The author is an avowed Elon & Tesla hater and tried to work in the word "recall" in almost every sentence despite that it will be a simple over-the-air software update. No recall whatsoever.

Just because the issue can be solved by an update ( and lately some recalls actually have been - see Huyndai GPS debacle ) does not mean it is not a recall. It just happens to have a different means of correcting it. In other words, update equals recall.

And that is before we get into whether it is appropriate to update something that can move with enough kinetic force to have various security agencies freaking out over possible scenarios in the future ( and likely cause for some of the recent safety additions like remote stop ).

In other words, just because he may be a hater does not make the argument not valid.

We live in a strange world. No one should worship that sad narcissistic piece of crap but yet the sycophants continue to multiply.

I think this has to do with the growing margin between the richest/upper class and poorest folks. Sure you find plenty of HN folks doing 3.5 X average salary.. but majority, considering inflation etc, are not doing this well.

So average poor Joe looks at Musk and instead of seeing him for what he is, he cheers him up, thinking "one day I will be like him [that rich], so I would want people to cherish me the way I cherish him now". I think we see that on every front, sadly including politics. I mean people like Boebert or MTG should have never had any power even to decide what mix to use to clean a dirty floor, yet alone deciding on millions of American's fate, but yet here we are...

If anything, this numbness and ignorance will grow.

Arguably the greatest entrepreneur in history. Is that worthy of some praise?

Think I'd still go with Rockefeller on that one.

One oil company?

You're trolling, aren't you? No one can be this stupid, especially not someone who reads this blog.

How so? I consider multiple creations substantially more impressive than one.

Then you'll be very impressed by the number of creations Rockefeller had. Standard Oil itself was an empire, not a factory, in a time when it took weeks and an army to get even information sent out.

Carnegie was incredible as well.

I'm not saying Elon isn't impressive, he is. He's just not the MOST impressive.

One tiny space sailing company and a shoddy carriage company compare poorly to the empires of Standard Oil, Carnegie steel, Ford, and the side projects of these people (multiple high impact philanthropic enterprises). They're the literal hands that built America.

He's still young though, there's some hope for him.

I'm confused. Rockefeller now gets credit for Carngeie, Mellon and Ford? Spacex, the by far most prolific private space company ever is a "tiny space company"? The by far most consequential EV company is a "shoddy carriage company"? And not even mentioning Zip2, PayPal, OpenAI, Boring or Neuralink? Wow.

_the_ oil company.

Ooh I can argue against that! I mean, he's clearly not. He's more of a fantastically savvy investor than anything else. The man clearly does not run any of his companies because it's impossible to run 3 companies at once. Don't let him fool you. It is IMPOSSIBLE.

There are clearly far FAR better entrepreneurs in history but if you keep fellating him I'm sure Daddy Elon will love you one day. You got this, don't give up!

Care to name one or 2?

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