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shows how weak the usa is perceived, that our allies feel comfortable implying that they ordered our military to do something. not really amusing.

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It’s mostly a Justin Trudeau issue. He constantly puts foot in mouth.

where do you get this stuff?

It's a basic understanding of politics and power dynamics

In this case, you are deeply wrong.

Anyone looking at NATO and NORAD right now, and thinking - hmmm. Them Americans are weak... are not paying very much attention to the current state of the world.

>By more than a two-to-one margin, Americans say their country’s influence in the world has been getting weaker rather than stronger in recent years (47% vs. 19%), according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted this past spring.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/12/22/far-more-am...

51% stronger or staying the same, 47% FJB.

Meanwhile in Russia, America is winning a war it's not even fighting in - at least according to the russian press. In all seriousness, using a fraction of the USA's military backlog and supplies, Ukraine is holding Russia at bay. A comparative alliance is taking place in the Pacific. Everyone wants to be in the NATO club (more or less, American protectorates, but with a lot more democracy) while The US economy is steamrolling through what everyone assumed would be a bad recesion, and people are starting to talk about Peak China.

So yeah, MSNBC and Fox are good at pointing out everything wrong, but the facts on the ground are very very different at this moment.

In matters of perception, it doesn't matter what the facts are, only what people believe.

Everyone's perception was that Russia was the "second army" of the world before February last year. How did that go for them?

or NORAD

>I ordered the take down.... U.S. aircraft were scrambled

For anyone else seeing this, the above is carefully edited to give the wrong impression. Here’s the full quote:

> I ordered the take down of an unidentified object that violated Canadian airspace. @NORADCommand shot down the object over the Yukon. Canadian and U.S. aircraft were scrambled, and a U.S. F-22 successfully fired at the object. https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1624527579116871681

It doesn't give the wrong impression. The core of the sentence is Trudeau ordering, and people, including U.S. resources responded.

Your decision to edit the quote to remove mention of NORAD and the joint response gives a very different impression. Rewrite it without the names which trigger you and it sounds pretty anodyne:

“The joint-defense organization detected an unauthorized object. Following seven decades of policy, joint forces responded. As the leader of the country whose airspace was violated, I approved shooting it down.“

Your average person doesn't know about the organizational structure of NORAD. Your average person sees "Trudeau ordered... US responded." The fact that you can't see that shows your mind blindness to the average person's perception. That and using the word "anodyne" as if it is a common word.

The average person sees “Canadian and U.S. aircraft were scrambled” because the news media is quoting his statement in full. If you were really worried about confusion, you wouldn’t be quoting like a creationist to create that confusion.

>like a creationist

lol wow, you are warped my friend. no wonder you're having such a difficult time here.

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