Ah for Gods sake!
> "Unreviewed Content"
> View in the Reddit app to continue.
Nah, I'm good.
> "Unreviewed Content"
> View in the Reddit app to continue.
Nah, I'm good.
example: https://sh.reddit.com/r/raldi/comments/10dtch/i_spent_my_wee...
But to blame those antipatterns on Steve Jobs makes no sense.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e7EfxMOElBE Around the 1 hour mark
It's understandable that a mobile user may want to conserve their data using the mobile versions of websites. What is anathema is Apple giving web developers the ability to force mobile site versions for mobile devices even after the user intentionally chooses to view the desktop site. A lot of sites won't respect that choice without something like &desktop=1 attached to the URL, and often as not even with it. Imgur is one that even if you do get the desktop site to load initially, it will immediately go back to the mobile site once you click to another Imgur page. Slashdot, also, makes it a real pain to not view the mobile version from a device.
I suggest you try implementing your handwavy solutions so you can see how well they work.
Apple ushered in the mobile web. It was Apple's solution to the delay of the iPhone SDK: Web Apps.[1] That is exactly what created the non-WAP mobile web, which began in 2007 coinciding with the announcement and release of the first iPhone. What third party could have such influence over the entire WWW? None. It was Apple, it was only Apple, and it was entirely Apple that created the non-WAP mobile web that everyone loathes. Every mobile web site uses the tools that Apple created for web apps. And they all look the same.
[1] https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/03/remembering-apples-sweet-solu...
That article you quickly googled is whining about how Apple promoted web apps as a stopgap solution because they didn’t want or couldn’t allow third party native apps, and the jailbreak community did a lot of the hard work. It doesn’t say Apple created web apps, Steve Jobs is to be held responsible for mobile web apps or whatever your ridiculous claims are.
Oh and there’s approximately 0 people loathing the fact that the WAP mobile web no longer exists and has been replaced by the current web apps. It stunk, nobody used it because it was useless.
Fundamentally, Web Apps had nothing to do with iOS7. It was html. It was javascript. But most importantly it was design specifications. It was teaching web developers "for a small screen, you have to make everything big big big. Use this menu design, and make elements giant so users can see them on their tiny phone," completely forgetting that the killer feature of mobile Safari was pinch and zoom, which every single other mobile browser copied. So these design specifications for mobile versions of websites, which were completely unnecessary, took on a life of their own. At first they were just lists. They looked nothing like the full site, they were just lists of hierarchical forms using iPhone menus in html. It became more annoying from there, but it all started with Apple showing web developers how to do it, and everyone wanted to tap into the iPhone user base, so they made these shitty Apple design specified mobile websites that are terrible and constrictive and some of the worst design because it was homogeneous. All the mobile sites looked the same.
Then they gave web developers the ability to prevent a mobile Safari user from using its its one killer feature, namely, zoom. Apple gave web developers the ability to disable zooming into a paragraph or a picture. You must view this page only how the OCD web developer decided you will view it. And its still being used to this day. There are countless sites that mobile Safari can't zoom into elements on, and the result of this is copy that can't be read on such a small screen. At the other extreme is text so large lines can't fit across the screen.
WAP certainly sucked, but it didn't get in the way of the actual WWW. You had to intentionally go to a WAP version of a site. After Apple, 2007, no more! We will detect your mobile browser and force you to the mobile web whether you want it or not. And good luck defeating it, because any link you click, we'll detect your mobile browser again and keep stuffing you in the shitty hole of the mobile web versions of websites.
I, for one, would be happy if I never saw another mobile site again. It's unnecessary, absolutely unnecessary in 2023, even when browsing over cellular, it is no longer necessary, yet it persists for no reason, by the ignorance of web developers that think someone prefers to see a broken, dysfunctional, inoperable version of the web site they're trying to view but aren't allowed because decisions are being made for them.
The mobile web all began with Apple and iPhone and the delay of the iPhoneSDK, and Web Apps. And we're still living with this flawed and defective paradigm now from any mobile browser, which again, if it was once needed to save the cost of cellular data, it stopped being needed years ago, and yet the detritus of that agenda is still with us.
And you're welcome to disagree with me, but without actually backing up any claims, or at least forming a rational argument, it's just not going to be very persuasive. "You're wrong, you don't know what you're talking about, that's not how it happened," isn't saying anything substantive.
If you want to blame someone for web apps, you have to blame either Microsoft who started it all with Outlook Web Access, or Google who lead the way to real interactivity with Google Maps. Perhaps Brandon Eich who created Javascript, Sun who created Java or whoever created the DOM. To blame Apple or Steve Jobs is nonsensical.
And to insist that ‘everybody loathes mobile web apps’ is ridiculous. On this very site there’s plenty of people that prefer Reddits mobile web app to the apps and Twitters web app to the apps. You don’t like them and you don’t like how nobody cares about what you want.