There's a very weird asterisk about it not being considered vegetarian. I would understand it not being vegan with the bun and all, but how did they manage to incorporate meat products into a cauliflower sandwhich?
As an aside, I can kinda understand vegetarians eating eggs because chickens will just lay them and you either eat them or they rot, but vegetarians who eat milk have no moral ground to stand on.
She eats plenty of dairy, as nothing died, and considers herself vegetarian. She has in fact never eaten meat once in her life yet you have entirely discounted her moral standing.
Your argument sounds a lot like No True Scotsman.
Speaking as a vegetarian myself.
For example, I often imagine what our carbon budget (and theoretical karma budget) would look like if we could get more people who are pro-animal welfare (and people who are concerned with climate change,) to accept the idea that getting a few billion people to eat less beef might be more beneficial than getting a few million to eat no beef.
There is a really interesting paper on this topic which often comes to mind titled "The seductions of clarity." [0]
There is also an interview by Sean Carrol with the author of that paper titled "C. Thi Nguyen on Games, Art, Values, and Agency" [1]
[0] https://philarchive.org/rec/NGUTSO-2
[1] https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2021/10/18/169-...
A cow must get pregnant to begin producing milk, but because we breed dairy cows for milk they produce much more than the calf needs anyway. Male calves are doomed either way to be slaughtered by the realities of how the industry works, but there is no requirement that things be this way.
Eggs are similar in that they don't technically require any particular cruelty, but the realities of how the industry functions means that male chicks are killed shortly after birth. Again, it need not be this way.
One view of how this informs our diet is that eating eggs and dairy are not necessarily cruel, they are just cruel in practice. Whereas meat consumption necessitates the killing of animals.
Loads of calves die to supply milk, and cows are kept in a near permanent state of either being in milk (and missing their calves) or pregnant.
I really don't mind what anyone eats or drinks - but anyone who claims to be vegetarian 'because of the animals' - but then consumes dairy, is on pretty weak ground.
I think that for many vegetarians, that’s good enough. But not for all of them of course.
Why? Why not? Considering how mass food animals are treated, fed, medicated and processed. My understanding is the chicken flavor is exogenous anyway, the flesh a near-flavorless substrate for lab-made enhancement.
I think I saw them in concert once.
These fast food chains are using the meatless options as a marketing ploy for people to believe there is a healthier option. It likely is healthier than the 840 calorie fried chicken with fries, but that doesn’t mean it’s healthy.
People like to believe they are health conscious. That’s why they order a 1200 calorie salad when they go to Apple Bees.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2023/02/09/chick-f...
The key part is:
> But it is not isolated in our kitchens. We have chicken all day, every day, and that's not going away, so we want to be very candid and open and honest with our customers."
> "This is made with cauliflower, pickles, bread, milk and eggs. If that works for your definition of vegetarian, awesome," Neslage said.
I know vegetarians that won’t eat eggs.
The conventional definition concerns animal meat and by-products of animal slaughter, but many people do whatever they want
There are many subtypes of vegetarianism but only a few skip eggs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Comparison_of_vegetar...
Once you’ve tasted what you’ve been missing with tallow and dripping fries the rest taste like trash.
Shipping one inferior product so make sure vegetarians/vegans order your fries at the expense of taste for everyone.
My suggestion requires integrity/vision to know that either having to ship two products or forfeit the sales of a group of people for the betterment of the product will fill a gap in the market.
I expect it’s because they fry in the same oil as the chicken.