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Meta expects you to have managed at least 40 ppl before considering them for a M2 role. M2s made $800k+. Why wouldn’t a manager not be motivated to grow his empire? How else do you think managers will grow to VPs? We discuss ideals here but the reality on the ground is vastly different.

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> Meta expects you to have managed at least 40 ppl before considering them for a M2 role

Not true. At least not as of late. M2 promos can lean on different things, e.g. delivered impact, over established people scope. But the person trying to promote you need to be able to do that well. Source: Have done M2 promotions at Meta.

I'm not talking about promotions particularly.

Damn. Now I feel bad for our teachers since the empire starts with them and they get jack shit in return.

Yeah. To become a D1 you need to be an M2 who successfully manages (ideally) more than one other M2, who themselves might manage M2s or M1s or a combo. So you get really large chains of people at the same level in a reporting line, all managing and trying to show that they should be D1s.

No lie that sounds really lame.

It's actually amazing to see empire builders in action. While some EMs are busy trying to keep their teams on track, others are rolling entire teams under them and growing their mandate

Directly and at the same time? I’m relatively new to this game, but that seems like far too many.

Depends on your definition of "direct," but it includes skip-levels. This is what some of the other comments were referring to with growing your team large enough you end up with managers reporting to you.

I've been an IC reporting to a manager, who himself reported to a manager (as opposed to director or senior manager), and while the second one was technically my skip it was more like I just had two direct supervisors.

no, he's referring to the total size of the team, not directly

> M2s made $800k+. Why wouldn’t a manager not be motivated to grow his empire?

Possibly by not being singleminded or crazy about money.

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