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I have several side projects where I use a simple Spring Boot backend and I feel I can focus more on the fun part (solving problems). It just works! There is also a huge eco system of good quality open source libraries compared to some of the newer backend languages.

This feeling is absent from React-based apps. The React eco system has been around for many years now, but is missing many of the advantages age typically brings. The eco system feels much more fragile and driven by hype. I simply don't trust things to work as smoothly. Maybe this instability is what keeps React popular? If it becomes more stable, it will not generate as much hype and developers move to the next big thing.

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I recently fired up a project in Django, after not using it for a decade, and I had the same feeling. I defined a couple of models and BOOM I had a working website. Felt a little bit like the last ten years of web framework development hasn't resulted in anything better.

As you point out, the React ecosystem does seem to be mired in "what approach should I take"-style questions for basic things like data loading, routing, etc.

My experience with React has been different hence commenting here. That is just not true. I have used react with nextjs in the past but moved to remix. Moving to a new framework requires you to learn it, quite similar to learning a new language but it is much better than manually creating webpack loaders. I had a decent experience with nextjs but my experience with remix has been better.

I used Spring Boot at work and I have worked with backend libraries like Express(JS), Flask(Python), Gin(go) all the experiences have been much better than using Spring Boot. Java takes too long to compile, dependecy injection in Spring just seems to take forever, and overall Java is very very verbose. Just to create a stupid API, you have to create a new class for request, one for response, controller, service. I can do it if I am paid for it but using that for side projects, a big NO.

I think we have different ideas about what a good development environment is, and that is ok. We have our preferences and we can't argue with that.

I would like to comment on how you feel Java compilation is slow. Incremental compilation while developing is fast and doesn't affect my productivity (your experience may differ).

Triggering a single threaded full build with one of my services (1000+ files and 80k lines) took less than 30 seconds on my laptop (18s with parallel compilation). But I never do that locally, as incremental compilations are almost instant.

If you need to download dependencies and run tests, the number is higher, but that is not specific for Java

"I have several side projects where I use a simple Spring Boot backend and I feel I can focus more on the fun part (solving problems)."

I tried to do side projects with Spring Boot and I also worked with it professionally. I never got to the point where I can focus on just solving problems, I'm always fighting with the framework, looking for how to do certain things in the depths of blogs and stackoverflow because I can never find what I need in Spring docs. I actually find it interesting how some people seem to be very productive with it, while others have issues similar to mine.

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