AI Generated Seinfeld runs 24/7 on Twitch
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Likewise, DF wouldn't be the same without Boatmurdered[5] or any of the other story tellings that followed suit.
Conspiracy theorists follow the same pattern but applied to news and current events - a participatory group activity that discards the majority frame and synthesizes new frames under a different genre. Participants reuse people[6] and locations[7] but rewrite the script to become both playwrights and audience members to a substantially transformed alternate experience of reality.
Watchmeforever, is exactly this group mythmaking experience that pairs a random event strip with improvisational community framing that takes the meaningless output of AI-generated content and transforms it into a meaningful group experience.
EDIT: Also The Sims franchise to a large extent. Longtime players have a certain tendency to embellish in-game events beyond the game's pre-packaged framing in a way that produces deeper meaning than the novice/out-of-the-box-frame engages in. Certainly CK1/2/3 and countless others as well.
1. In the Erving Goffman sense
2. https://www.blaseball.wiki/w/Main_Page
3. https://thegarages.bandcamp.com/track/my-name-is-mike
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diAHuUV2Meg
5. https://lparchive.org/Dwarf-Fortress-Boatmurdered/
6,7. People qua actors, and locations qua sets.
See [1] for instance, but it's also mentioned much earlier in the introduction section.
The singularity is now.
must be that I am not native English speaker and I've never watched Seinfeld, except for some popular clip over the decades, but this is honestly so bad that is really bad. It's Sierra adventures bad jokes bad.
The Sims 4 looks like the perfect home for Seinfeld and friends
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-sims-4-looks-like-the-perfect-ho...
Jerry Seinfeld's Apartment [No CC] // Speed Build - The Sims 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gu2k_e_4mA
The Sims 4 snuck in a little Seinfeld reference
https://www.reddit.com/r/seinfeld/comments/2r7u5i/the_sims_4...
I mean, obviously it's not. And it's a lot more than that.
But it seems like a good place for AI to start. It's also one of the most popular TV shows of all time...
INT. JERRY'S CAR - DAY
Jerry and George are driving down the road, with Jerry behind the wheel.
Jerry: (gazing at the cup holder) This car is such a piece of junk, it doesn't even have a proper cup holder.
George: What are you talking about? It has a cup holder right there!
Jerry: (skeptical) That's not a cup holder, that's just a little indentation in the dash.
George: It's a cup holder, Jerry! I've used it a million times.
Jerry: (sarcastically) Oh, well if you've used it, then it must be a proper cup holder.
George: (defensive) Hey, I've never had a problem with it.
Jerry: (exasperated) That's because you don't have any standards. A real cup holder should be able to hold a variety of cup sizes, not just the tiny little cups you drink out of.
George: (scoffing) That's ridiculous, Jerry. Who needs a cup holder that big?
Jerry: (serious) I do, George. I like to drink my coffee in a real cup.
George: (rolling his eyes) You and your fancy coffee cups.
Jerry: (smiling) Hey, I have standards, George. What can I say?
George: (laughing) I guess that's what makes you, you.
Jerry: (laughing) And that's what makes you, you.
They both burst into laughter as the car pulls up to a stop light.
End Scene.
Compared to the infinite Seinfeld, which appears composed of disconnected setup -> response type gags, it's night and day.
> While situated in a realistic situation that's typical of the series.
That's a bit of a low bar.
> With the detail in question being a real environmental detail of that situation. George is irate and Jerry sarcastically winds him up.
And that's what you typically get from trying to replicate statistical data from the series.
It's a very good impersonation of a theory of mind, but it's an impersonation. The most surprising part is that when asked for a Seinfield episode, it actually tries to construct a Seinfield episode. But somehow, that's that part that least impress most people.
[Scene opens in Jerry's apartment. Kramer bursts in with a big grin on his face.]
Kramer: Jerry, you won't believe what happened to me last night!
Jerry: What is it?
Kramer: I won the lottery!
Jerry: (surprised) What?! That's fantastic! Congratulations!
Kramer: Yeah, I can't believe it myself. I never win anything.
Jerry: (skeptically) How much did you win?
Kramer: (proudly) Fifty bucks!
Jerry: (disappointed) Fifty bucks? That's it?
Kramer: (defensively) Hey, it's not about the amount, it's about the odds. I beat a million-to-one shot!
Jerry: (teasing) Yeah, I guess it's like winning the Olympics of scratch-off tickets.
Kramer: (serious) You know, I've been thinking. With this newfound wealth, I'm going to quit my job and live the life of leisure.
Jerry: (skeptically) You know, Kramer, I'm not sure fifty bucks will sustain that lifestyle for very long.
Kramer: (undeterred) I'll figure something out. Maybe I'll write a book, or start a business.
Jerry: (smiling) What kind of business? The Scratch-Off Emporium?
Kramer: (laughing) Hey, that's not a bad idea!
[Scene closes with Kramer and Jerry laughing as the scene fades to black.]
There is some sort of intersection between A Show About Nothing and an AI that creates empty responses from everything.
INT. MONK'S CAFE - DAY
Jerry, George, and Elaine are sitting at a table. Kramer enters and sits down.
Kramer: Hey, guys.
Jerry: Hey, what's up, Kramer?
Kramer: I've been having some trouble with this new Microsoft Teams thing at work. I need to use it for a video conference but I don't know how.
George: (sarcastically) Oh no, not Microsoft Teams. That's the end of the world.
Elaine: (laughing) Come on, George. It's not that bad.
Jerry: Yeah, it's not rocket science, Kramer. Just click on the icon, join the meeting, and turn on your webcam.
Kramer: (frustrated) I've tried that, Jerry. But then all these different tabs and options pop up and I don't know what to do.
Elaine: (sympathetically) It can be overwhelming at first. But just take it one step at a time and you'll figure it out.
Kramer: (sighing) I guess you're right.
Jerry: (joking) And if all else fails, just hold up a piece of paper with your face on it to the webcam.
(audience laughs)
George: (serious) Actually, that's not a bad idea.
(audience laughs)
Kramer: (smiling) Thanks for the advice, guys. I'll give it another try.
(Kramer exits the cafe)
Jerry: (to George and Elaine) I think Kramer is going to have a tough time with Microsoft Teams.
Elaine: (laughing) Oh, I have no doubt.
(audience laughs)
(end scene)
(pause for applause)
*Is that a thing? I don't think I've seen that where I am
The quality of the content is still crap, but that will improve with time. And the audience getting dumber to think it’s fine will speed up the process.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/10p8yk3/how_patheti...
This is the future for many future lonely people, some may not even realize it (AI).
For anyone else who might be dismissing it for similar reasons: its not about AI, its about relationships, and it is really good.
Amazing
That would really ruffle some feathers.”
It's very meta because of course when you say it out loud it does sound horribly boring just like the NBC guy says. But the Seinfeld audience is aware that the Seinfeld characters (now the ones writing a sitcom about their personal experiences) actually experienced this situation, and to the Seinfeld audience, it was actually a very funny episode, therefore realizing that the Jerry audience would also find it funny.
So like, the "obvious problem" with this content for Seinfeld is the "acting" (care of the TTS engine) sucks. Honestly, are the scripts bad? Maybe, sure! But actors actually do a job that can sometimes be ignored by filling in all of the subtle details that make the character the character and even then make awkward interactions suddenly "work".
In the extended work from the Google AI on Stargate, what they did was get some people from the actual cast of the show to be willing to do a table read of the AI-generated scripts (and the AI was then told to limit what it generated to using the actors they had).
And OMG sometimes it was hilarious nonsense and yet it was FUN, because the actors were kind of trying to make it all work, and they were able to lean on their backgrounds doing those characters for a decade and all of the hard-ish stuff of comedic timing but also the easy-ish stuff of how a basic human interaction works.
When we get to the point of being able to have AI actors easily pull off some of those things--having text to speech that infers enough context to know the correct emotions to apply in addition to the appropriate timing and stress as opposed to merely the correct pronunciation (which is always where we seem to be working, practically)--this stuff is going to rock, and it will be scary how well even shitty scripts do (as it isn't like many sitcoms--not saying Seinfeld, but you can easily scrape the bottom of the barrel on formulaic shows people have pumped out--have very good writing to begin with).
One to generate the 3d scene. One for the lighting. Three for cameras. One for each actor acting out the given script along with a set amount of "improvising" and "randomness", one to generate background royalty free music based on the emotional context of the scene, one to serve as a Foley artist for environment sounds.
The equivalent computer power of a medium sized bitcoin farm running everything with the only humans being the writers, the IT people running the systems, a director watching each take as it is rendered live to pick the best ones, and an editor to slap all of the takes together.
That's probably technically possible now, if not actually implemented.
Another 15 years or so and kids will be rendering full movies in the basement and watching them with their friends.
One for each hand to maintain the appropriate number of fingers.
'Every blade of grass has its Angel that bends over it and whispers, "Grow, grow"'
The animation style is pretty delightful.
gg, RIP Devil.
RUINED/SAVED
[1]: https://thenewstack.io/google-homes-api-spawned-seebotschat-...
What are your future plans for the project? Are you considering using GPT in your scripts? Any plans to replace the TTS engine?
The channel does not run 24/7 because Vedal is always monitoring Neuro-sama's output (things can go very wrong when you let an AI interact with a Twitch chat). Also, Neuro-sama plays different games such as Osu, Minecraft, Pokemon. I don't know about the others, but Osu's AI was built by him (probably RL), so he put a lot of engineering effort into it.
I really have no words to express how uncanny it feels to watch that stuff, it seems alien television from the future and the comments seem a hive mind of bots. The experience is like seeing the apocalypse coming towards you from afar at a steady pace and there is nothing you can do to stop it. We need a big solar flare before it is too late.
I don't even know if I'm joking or not.
I just wish they use AI to also get the voices right. Then maybe one day stable diffusion can be good enough to generate the video too...
Elaine: "Why are we here"
Jerry: "to tell jokes"
Elaine: "But why are we here together"
Jerry: "Maybe fate put us here for a reason. To make the world a funnier place."
Elaine: "Alright, let's do it."
The script is probably written by just asking chatGPT (for a script). Might even have some prompts that seed the script.
Then the output of the chatGPT is fed into a TTS (text to speech) and played.
I think the laugh track is randomly played (or played in between different scripts that GPT generates). And i can't tell if the music is generated, or just repeats and is only for some scenes.
Quite genius actually.
Tho i would imagine trying to get that working is a lot more work than just randomly choosing a set of pre-animated videos. I suppose if the video doesn't need to sync with the text, then you can create a large bank of them, and choose based on keywords from the text.
The visuals are rendered in Unity (I guess in real time), maybe their models spit out dialog including stage directions?
Other links related to the show: https://linktr.ee/nothingforever
There could be a huge business model here, cut costs massively on new TV shows or cartoons getting c churned out.
I'm the founder of FakeYou, and there's a reason we've been hiring game engineers and 3D artists for the last year.
We've got a really cool product coming soon. :)
> I said I liked watching movies.
> He said that's not a hobby.
> I said it is if you do it enough times.
I don't know if it was the flat delivery or the surrealness of it, but that had me actually laugh out loud.
I watch a lot of TV/movies, and it is mostly something to deal with me feeling lonely (which is probably a bad thing to fix, actually: better I get so sad that I quit computers and go into the real world to find another person... but that's a more fundamental problem).
I have long said that what I really want are 3-star movies, as I am really just using the people in the movie to tie up the tiny bit of my brain that tries to process the existence of people to be less lonely: I don't want it to be so bad as to be frustrating or so good that I actually want to watch it, as that would be distracting.
The problem, though, is it feels more like being at an airport or on a street than around your classmates or friends: people come and go and you never get to know them that deeply, as a movie is only an hour and a half.
Watching multi-season TV shows thereby works a lot better against being lonely, and I think a lot of people essentially use sitcoms like this: they have seen the show a million times and continue to watch it on repeat as part of their brain has established a parasocial relationship with the characters.
But, the problem I have doing that, is that watching the same content on repeat also causes this sense of deja vu and gives the world an air of implausibility. It is fun to be there for the new stuff, but hearing the old stories again doesn't convey the same feeling of "this is happening" (as false as we all know even that is ;P).
But so now like... generating an infinite amount of content for a pseudo-sitcom that is maybe even just sort of OK--as that's what the AI can manage to muster up until the end of time--might frankly be fine, as I'm not trying to really watch it anyway?
It then just needs to be close enough to what my subconscious expects out of a person so that I get the feeling of "I'm watching these people I pretend to know" (though it would be interesting if one's subconscious is better at deciding it is all fake than one's consciousness is ;P "thankfully", TV is already a bit fake).
And, so, maybe it works better if instead of being a new lame sitcom it is a lame extended universe of a great sitcom (such as Seinfeld), so you will have already watched it actively enough to train your own brain that these are people in your life who matter to you and then it is easier to use the seasons of that sitcom to fine tune an AI into generating more content in that same genre / story for you to begin spending the rest of your life not really exactly watching an infinite stream of generated extended seasons.
If only they could reach one another. What does it take to create a clearing house for lonely people to find suitable matches?
HN is looking [1] for an engineer for their co-founder match maker. Maybe they can just scale it up for everybody to find friends?
If you want to meet people, the internet is a terrible way to do it.
For what it's worth, this is how plurality[0] develops for some people. It does indeed help with loneliness, sometimes.
-Emily
Why has this comment be downvoted to oblivion? I also get nothing but static and some cable TV-style text around the edge.
Woman: "Looks like you've finished that entire tub of ice cream all by yourself" Man: "Yeah it only took me a day and a half to finish it. I must have been hungry"
Crowd Laughter sound...
So "Nothing Forever" isn't funny now but I'd be surprised if something like it is more than 5 years away from watchable.
I think this should be used more often. In modern film it's mostly used for forth wall breaking as a cheap joke, but the acclaimed Japanese director Yasujirō Ozu often used the technique for a kind of "VR" effect, to make the viewer feel like they're present in the scene. The characters address the camera directly but they don't show any awareness of the camera. If you haven't already, I recommend watching "Tokyo Story" to see how it's done. It places highly on many "best movies of all time" lists, and despite the slow pacing and lack of action I found it surprisingly compelling.
It's great, and I love the glitchy animations!
That's great, although I'm not sure why they didn't try to use same angle shots as in the sitcom.
(also can't believe they renamed Jerry as Larry and not George)
[0] https://clips.twitch.tv/PoisedTangibleAdminKippa-t2tZJCejx10...
"Yes. And it works."
To be honest this did make me laugh.
If thats the case then in a few hours it's going to be full on racist.
If it is not then it's a bit lame.
Now I took a peek for the first time. First video that pops up is this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYgFmP03biw
So it is something like Al Bundy? A soap opera?
If someone makes an Al Bundy version, it certainly should be called "AI Bundy".
Or rather, it’s a Sitcom where they take mundane things in everyday life and obsess over them comedically.
Some people find it doesn’t withstand the test of time and if you never saw it in the 90/00s you might not really care for it.
Especially in the earlier seasons, what Seinfeld is about should be apparent: There's a little standup skit performed by Jerry Seinfeld, with the usual ridiculous circumstances you'd hear in a standup skit. The episode that follows shows exactly how Jerry "came up with" the idea for the standup the episode opened with.
Instead of "about nothing," Seinfeld was really about answering the question people often ask: "How did you come up with that?"
Of course, as the show developed and real-life inspirations started to be exhausted, the show adopted more and more outlandish sitcom ideas that weren't rooted in the real-life experiences of the writers. The standup openings were abandoned as well.
It's a classic comedy of manners, a style as old as the hills.
The "show about nothing" spiel with the implied "which is completely original and has never been done before" was true in it's demarcation from traditional sitcoms based around forced scenarios but always complete rubbish with the latter intention and a brilliant marketing line.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunn...
>"I don't know what the big deal with Hamlet is. It's just one famous saying after another, strung together by a moldy old plot." — Old Joke
>There are certain shows that you can safely assume most people have seen. These shows were considered fantastic when they first aired. Now, however, these shows have a Hype Backlash curse on them. Whenever we watch them, we'll cry, "That is so old" or "That is so overdone".
>The sad irony? It wasn't old or overdone when they did it, because they were the first ones to do it. But the things it created were so brilliant and popular, they became woven into the fabric of that show's genre. They ended up being taken for granted, copied and endlessly repeated. Although they often began by saying something new, they in turn became the new status quo. It's basically the inverse of a Grandfather Clause taken to a trope level: rather than being able to get away with something that is seen as overdone or out of style simply because it was the one that started it, people will unfairly disregard it because it got lost amidst its sea of imitations even though it paved the way for all those imitators. That is, a work retroactively becomes a Cliché Storm.
>There may be good reason for this. Whoever is first to do something isn't likely to be the best at it, simply because everyone that comes after is building on their predecessors' work.
>Named after Seinfeld, which many people won't watch any more because everything about it has been copied. note Most likely will result in Fan Haters and accusations of Rule Abiding Rebels. This can also occur in countries that get the shows years after they originally come out.
>When someone attempts to make "Seinfeld" funny again in this time and age, see Reconstruction.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Reconstruction
Not to be confused with the act of thinking an old in-joke referencing a sub-culture was originally from that show (yada, yada, yada), which is called the "Seinfeld Effect" or the modern internet-meme related "Family Guy Effect".
As I reflect, I can see that with a lot of shows I thought were amazing. Humour evolves in such a fascinating way that a killer joke, even if it’s not context specific to an era, can stop being funny.
I showed my wife a bunch of flash videos from my teenage years. She just stared and I slowly came to realize: they’re just not funny anymore. I remember thinking they were such a novel concept and the humour was trying something very new. But I guess what was new and exciting then is so socially normal now that it doesn’t trigger the funny response.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27458494
Jokes and their Relation to the Cognitive Unconscious. Marvin Minsky. AI memo No. 603. November, 1980.
https://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/papers/jokes.cognitive.txt
>JOKES and the Logic of the Cognitive Unconscious
>Marvin Minsky, MIT
>Abstract: Freud's theory of jokes explains how they overcome the mental "censors" that make it hard for us to think "forbidden" thoughts. But his theory did not work so well for humorous nonsense as for other comical subjects. In this essay I argue that the different forms of humor can be seen as much more similar, once we recognize the importance of knowledge about knowledge and, particularly, aspects of thinking concerned with recognizing and suppressing bugs -- ineffective or destructive thought processes. When seen in this light, much humor that at first seems pointless, or mysterious, becomes more understandable.
>Introduction
>A gentleman entered a pastry-cook's shop and ordered a cake; but he soon brought it back and asked for a glass of liqueur instead. He drank it and began to leave without having paid. The proprietor detained him. "You've not paid for the liqueur." "But I gave you the cake in exchange for it." "You didn't pay for that either." "But I hadn't eaten it". --- from Freud (1905).
[...]
>In the 1912 edition Freud, still perplexed about the purpose of nonsense, recounts a joke of this form: {11}
>"A man at the dinner table dipped his hands in the mayonnaise and then ran them through his hair. When his neighbor looked astonished, the man apologized: "I'm so sorry. I thought it was spinach."
[...]
This is in stark contrast to so many American sitcoms which had a lot of stories around conflict, personal growth, forgiveness, and charity. Many of those shows tried to depict idealized Christian family values intermingled with the jokes. Many episodes would feature a prominent personal life lesson in the denouement.
I believe the creators of Seinfeld (Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld) established a strict rule for the writing staff: "no hugging, no learning." This no-compromises dedication to comedy to the exclusion of all else is what set Seinfeld apart from other shows.
But I never saw an episode of it when it was on, or 20 years later. It was just not available.
Seinfeld was also translated but it was awfully done so people didn't watch it and it stopped running on tv.
Knight Rider was also very popular and the acting was way better than the original because of the translators.
It is quite interesting what effect dubbing of movies and tv shows can have on the perception of it.
Different generations watch different things.
The only good thing about sitcoms is that there are only like 5 good ones, so you won’t waste too much time watching them.
Watching say Simpsons season 1 now just hits very different than when it first aired.
That's such a silly thing to say I'll assume it's intentionally provocative and not intended to be truthful rather than representing genuine ignorance.
But for anybody young enough/daft enough to take it seriously, check out
Fawlty Towers
Young Ones
Blackadder
Yes Minister
Dad's Army
Etc
Etc
That's just a quick UK list off the top of my head, I'll leave others to correct the parent comment with US (Bilko?, Cheers?, etc) and other national (Let The Blood Run Free?) suggestions...
Maybe it's the typical US = The World issue :)
It was 'show about nothing', as they described it, about mundane minutiae. It starred three characters, including Jerry Seinfeld, who cared about nothing but themselves. Another description I read was that it was innovative in starring unsympathetic characters.