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> We keep saying missiles are great and dogfighting is over, and we keep being proven wrong.

My understanding is that the "dogfighting is over" rhetoric stopped being proven wrong during the Iran-Iraq war, when Iraqi fighters started mysteriously exploding in the sky during operations.

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The thing that's complicated is rules of engagement.

If you can safely entirely rely upon on IFF and deconfliction, all is great.

If you ever have to close to identify targets, then you might end up with some significant maneuvering, etc. Of course, the F-35 isn't terrible at this, and stealth and efficiency lets it better choose the terms of this engagement.

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