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I see the counter culture over the last few years as the less obnoxious elements of the alt-right/conservative and centrist/"classic liberal" in their opposition to the overreach and oppression by the "liberal"/left especially in their domination of big tech and classic media.

However, as the recognition of that unpleasant latter tendency has become mainstream and everybody and her grandma now knows what "woke" means, I can see a new counter, hopefully genuinely less partisan and not tipped the other (ie right wing) way as the old guard is kicked out (as we have seen with Twitter etc).

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What are the great creative works you identify with the alt-right? I know lots of great leftist artists, musicians, etc. but I don't see alt-righters making a lot of daring indie cinema for instance.

I'm strictly considering the definition as "an alternative to dominant [as opposed to popular] opinion and social mores".

I'd probably agree the bulk of indier-than-thou creations are produced by people on the left (not all of whom demand we also bow to their political interpretation of the world); some of the work excellent, most of it perhaps not.

That's not what the article is about. The article is about creative content, and how YouTube content is aesthetically all the same. Jordan Peterson videos have the same stupid thumbnails as all other clickbait.

People have said it in the thread, but counter-culture is really defined retrospectively. You look at the movements that existed on the periphery but later inspired the mainstream. Velvet Underground wasn't selling millions of records, but everyone who started a band listened to them. Lou Reed is pretty indier than thou.

Well, it's no wonder since you're looking at YouTube which is basically a curated experience. Take a look at Rumble and other YT alternatives and you'll see plenty of counter-cultural video content. Plus there's other media like image macros, real-world social stunts etc. The counter-culture is quite real.

> The article is about creative content, and how YouTube content is aesthetically all the same.

Yeah, but Youtube is mainstream now; it comes installed on almost every single consumer TV available for sale right now. You don't get more mainstream than that.

If you wanted to see counterculture, you'd have to use the youtube alternatives.

Thousands of sad frogs, wojaks and other memes. The fringe fashwave music videos. Greentext stories with their weird rules as whole new literary genre. It's obvious there are real artists spending days and hours making them, but posting any of these things on mainstream cultural outlets gets you banned. How this is any different from independent filmmaker being shunned out of cinemas for his extreme take on coprophilia in the 80'?

Basically all memes? Pepe, Wojak, Soyjak, the Bogdanoffs, etc.

Like gays in the 50s, conservatives in Hollywood (and at big tech) are careful not to out themselves. Given that Hollywood has lots of wealthy, business oriented people much of the media you like was made by conservatives without you knowing.

How many symphonies did the hippies compose?

The alt right is essentially some 'stronger' people giving themselves permission to (try to) hurt 'weaker' people. Not sure that can be called a culture, counter or otherwise.

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