I know that, I also know who enables them and is ignorant of the score, because theyre blinded by rampant thoughtless consumerism. I know which ones have a hope of being convinced and have a self-interest in a better path. (And I tried to word the op carefully enough to leave exceptions for <insert niche scenario>)

But maybe I should be more careful in how I speak. Class consciousness is key and I didnt know any better until I did.

But also I know whats it like to live in a nice, newly built 2br apt in the second most expensive tech city. And I know how to make that work, coasting, on ~60k/yr, without free meals, without free orca cards, without free shuttles across town. So when i see 5year xooglers that i know made 300k+ the entire time, my head starts to pulsate.

When I think about how i can draw what i draw off my (big tech co) stock, and then I think about those same xooglers, and their stock benefits...

It just feels like these conversations are borderline dishonest with the handwaving and intentional lack of discussion of specifics, and any consideration of the meta of how this tragic, unthinkable event is discussed here compared to other topics related to labor.