Why is Israel neutral amid the Russia-Ukraine war?
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If Israel supports Ukraine, it will undermine the claim on occupied territories and Jerusalem. If Israel supports Russia, it will risk to lose the support of USA (like Iraq after being ally of USA against Iran). Also there is significant amount of Russian agents in Israeli political landscape (basically, all Russian speaking politicians).
Literally, LOL.
>Also there is significant amount of Russian agents in Israeli political landscape (basically, all Russian speaking politicians).
You seems to conflate russian speaking with russians. I lived in Israel for 25 years, and now I tried to recalled how many people from Russia proper I know, and I cant even reach count of 5. Besides this, russian speaking politicians (all 3 or 5 of them ? most if not all of them not from russia) have no weight in Israel politics, especially in such a strategic decisions. As good example will be a strategic decision of smaller degree, when Gazprom wanted to get into partnerships in gas drilling companies in Israel but was booted out.
No one buys this claim who is important, not the U.S, not the E.U, not China and not even Russia. Israel knows this very well, so I doubt that's the reason. Even many Israelis probably don't buy into this claim, they want to hold on to the territories due to security reasons and what happened after the Gaza withdrawal.
> Also there is significant amount of Russian agents in Israeli political landscape
Significant amount? Do you have some data to support this? You're also suggesting they are all Putin supporters which sounds like a reach to me. Many of them came to Israel not loving the Russian totalitarian experience.
Otherwise? The answer is money. Almost every russian oligarch has bought Israeli citizenship.
Israel doesn't need to take sides It knows that Americans will never, ever, ever, ever enact any policies against Israel, because the political blowback would end their careers. We will always give welfare to Israel's army, and we will always make decisions in favor of Israel which are against American interests.
Israel knows there is good money to be made here.
Everyone in Europe knew in 1945 who defeated the nazis. And it was neither US nor Britain.
Or is something else taught in Russia?
And while we are speaking about nazi allies here is one of the many links about the ties US had with nazi germany:
https://therealnews.com/d-day-how-the-us-supported-hitlers-r...
And then there is also the british royal family.
In my view, this gives a fuller description of the reality back then .
The way I read it, the Soviet Union partnered with Nazi Germany to invade Poland.
This wasn’t the Soviet Union invading Poland to protect Poland against the Nazi invasion. The Soviet Union attacked Poland and fought the Polish army in order to split Polish territories with Nazi Germany.
Not sure how that compares to Ford/IBM selling equipment to the Nazi regime prior to hostilities.
Read up on Nazinsky Island where Stalin sent 5,000 "Kulaks" (subsistence farmers) who resisted forced collectivism. Over 3,000 died in 6 weeks from disease, starvation, bullets and cannibalism.
Stalin made my people eat each other, and it is illegal to mention this in the free, glorious russian empire.
I mean, by the logic Russia applies in describing Ukraine, the Eastern front was a proxy war between the US and Nazi Germany (heck, the US aid program for Ukraine is literally named after the one for WWII that included Russia), so…
The USA, who apparently didn't help in the war whatsoever, needlessly gave russia the equivalent of $800bn in today's dollars to fight Hitler.
We also needlessly sacrificed 400,000 brave young men, to save Europe for the second time in 20 years.
Stalin made it clear that the USSR would have fallen without Lend-Lease .. until we told him it was time to start paying us back, then the party line changed to America being the western zionist aggressors.
Russia really screwed America as a thank you. They were given a 90% discount on their debt, with zero interest. It took them 70 years to pay it, which means they paid $900,000,000 back on a $250bn loan.
50,000 sailors died at the hands of Hitler's Navy specifically to block that trade. I guess their deaths were in vane? russians will probably say they never died and America never sent aid.
Here's a short list of the aid Americans gifted to Russia, who apparently didn't need any of it:
400,000 jeeps and trucks 14,000 airplanes 8,000 tractors 13,000 tanks More than 1.5 million blankets 15 million pairs of army boots 107,000 tons of cotton 2.7 million tons of petroleum products (to fuel airplanes, trucks, and tanks) 4.5 million tons of food
Clearly the west didn't do anything. russians fought off Hitler with their bare hands, with no supplies, killing millions of nazis with borscht. Europe and America didn't so much as throw rocks on the western front.
All this while for Russia the Second World War was and is one of the defining moments of their history and identity.
Soviet Union and Germany attacked Poland together (and started WWII). It's cooperation with Nazi.
If we look at the argument often used by Russians, that X is Nazi because he collaborated with Nazi, and then apply it to Soviet Union instead of Bandera, then Russians found thousands of arguments why this is not true.
Let's not pretend that Bandera had to make his own hands dirty to make it count. I'll just leave it here:
vladolf putler has murdered at least 250,000 Ukrainians now. If you think the this is good, let's get together for coffee and discuss it. I will use on you the persuasive technique that Wagner uses on my people.
You're not elected to represent any of those people, you're only speaking for yourself.
> They died saving their wives, their mothers, their children, and their fellow countrymen who they didn't even agree with. vladolf putler has murdered at least 250,000 Ukrainians now.
Ukraine closed its borders for the entire 18+ male population of the country in the early months of the war. These people have been deprived from their natural right to make their own decisions affecting their lives. Some of these people might be willing to leave the country with their families, but they got separated on the border by the state ruling. The decisions are now being made for them under a pretense of territorial preservation, similarly to the authoritative dictate of their enemy. The goals might be different, but the means are exactly the same. The territory has no use for the people died on it, these 250k Ukrainians will never be able to experience a joy of living on it either. And if you're among those who say that the goals of the current Ukrainian government justify the means it imposes on its population, I suggest that you prove that in trenches of Bakhmut rather than in the comment sections of HN.
> If you think the this is good, let's get together for coffee and discuss it. I will use on you the persuasive technique that Wagner uses on my people.
You should talk to Wagner directly if you find their methods adequate during a coffee break, they made their feedback contacts public long time ago.
The answer is actually an easy one: yes he was personally responsible for the movement he started and he was personally responsible for his organisation's deeds. Nazis imprisoned many other Nazis on a regular basis during the regime rule. Being imprisoned by the Nazis doesn't automatically nullify the convictions and aspirations of the imprisoned.
Why assume that a person who founds an organisation is responsible for what it does when they are effectively no longer in control of it? We don’t make that automatic assumption in other areas - the founder of a company is not responsible for what the new CEO does after they retire.
I have now lost 3 family members and 15 people from my graduating uni class.
Germany has neo-nazis in its military. russia's military is entirely conscripts and track-suit wearing, Neo-soviets covered in anti-Ukrainian tattoos.
America's military is at least 20% neo-nazi/extremist.
There are bad apples in every country.
Just like the USA saved russia and Europe from Hitler, we will save Europe and America from vladolf putler. You can all be cowards and sleep peacefully in your bed while I hear bombshells every night.
Sending any type of weapons to Ukraine will most likely result in russia paying back in the same coin, hence all of the visible assistance to Ukraine is humanitarian aid. There is also invisible aid, as Israeli ambassador to Germany stated last week, but it's invisible.
There is also an issue of russia in Syria, where it can interfere with local Israeli operations. And once in a while russia just for giggles jams signals over north Israe.