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Same, Next.js, Vercel, Prisma, Supabase. I push to my GitHub repo and the site is live and deployed in less than a minute.

With the stack you can use the same language, DTOs, libraries, etc.. both server and client side.

Server side rendering ensures a graceful handoff between server rendered state and the resulting app state on the client.

I’m also using MUI which includes all the components you need for a front end app.

I also just really like react/JSX, very strongly typed coupling between the html and JavaScript. Makes it very easy to refactor and pull out new components with confidence.

I really think this is the best stack for an MVP CRUD app right now. Interested to hear of anything better.

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This stack is pretty incomplete for most MVPs, as unless you're building something trivial like a landing page, you'll probably at some point also need libraries or a custom implementation for:

- Validations

- Translations

- Error and request logging and auditing

- Security (CQRS, CORS, CSRF)

- Permissions and a way to integrate it with your authentication (does supabase handle this? don't know)

- Email sending

- Background jobs

- Caching

- File uploading

- Rate limiting

- ...

Every time somebody suggests "just" Next.js, just "Remix", just "flask" or just [insert minimalist framework] I think they're either building something pretty trivial, or wasting a lot of time on rebuilding or integrating things you get for free with batteries included frameworks.

That stuff isn't "hard" per se, and some of that stuff isn't even needed for a MVP, they're good to haves or only really required when you've got 100s of users (product dependant of course). If the MVP doesn't get there either iterate product or bin it

None of these are difficult per se. Multiple of them, working seamlessly together, having them tested, documented and battle tested is a bit more difficult.

Then you think about all that time doing this could have been spent in actual business logic and it makes no sense to me anymore.

(supabase CEO)

We wouldn't be the best fit for all of these, but here are some:

- Validations: handled already by Postgres and if you use JSONB you can use pg_jsonschema[0]

- Translations: probably won't ever be part of our stack, but for multilingual FTS we offer the pgroonga extension[1]

- Permissions: we offer AuthN (email & social logins, MFA, SSO) [2] and AuthZ with Postgres RLS[3]

- Background jobs: pg_cron [4]

- Caching: For images we have a smart cache [5]. We'll extend this to database queries over time

- File uploading: supabase storage [6]

[0] pg_jsonschema: https://supabase.com/blog/pg-jsonschema-a-postgres-extension...

[1] pgroonga: https://pgroonga.github.io/

[2] AuthN: https://supabase.com/docs/guides/auth/overview

[3] AuthZ with Postgres RLS: https://supabase.com/docs/guides/auth/row-level-security

[4] pg_cron: https://supabase.com/docs/guides/database/extensions/pgcron

[5] smart image cache: https://supabase.com/blog/storage-image-resizing-smart-cdn#s...

[6] supabase storage: https://supabase.com/storage

I mean, yeah you need more libraries, but I wouldn't list Formik/mobx/react-i18n/Sendgrid when talking at this level of abstraction.

The post is literally about building an MVP. Remix isn't a minimalist framework - it's a full stack web framework.

Maybe next js instead of supabase?

Next.js is more about frontend, but Supabase is more on backend. I cannot see any conflicts of the two, they can work with each other flawlessly.

Meant to say Nest.js sorry

This is a really nice stack and what I’m using together with a colleague right now.

Do you use the serverless functions available with Vercel/Supabase? If so, I’m curious how you choose when to go with each provider.

I use vercel functions for this side-project bc they worked out of the box. Just least friction tbh not sure if optimal.

Ah you comment about MUI reminded me to include Mantine, also big productivity driver.

Wish I could afford vercel

Super generous free similar product is netlify... you get 300 build minutes per month, I've never even gone above their free tier haha

Unless something has changed, they explicitly disallow any website that facilitates for profit commerce. Granted I don't think they closely monitor it unless your bandwidth is over a certain threshold. However, Cloudflare Pages is free and unlimited FWIW but I doesn't seem as nice or fast as Vercel.

Remember we’re talking about MVP. Moving this stack to a VPS would only add a day.

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