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And many profession artists cannot draw hands either. We're talking the distinction between "sounds smart" and "is smart." People here are arguing that the AI not "smart"; it only "sounds smart." The evidence provided is that AI cannot draw hands well. But we don't apply this same standard to people, even professional artists.

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Do humans artist routinely fail to connect hands/fingers to the rest of the body? That draw fingers with finger nails on both ends? Hands that have 12 fingers when doing realism? We are not talking about 'not very good at draws the details of a hand' but not able to understand fundamental details of what a hand is.

> Do humans artist routinely fail to connect hands/fingers to the rest of the body?

Children do all the time, and I'm pretty sure children have a rudimentary understanding of hands.

But they lack the abstraction necessary to call them self-aware (by the current definition). That’s actually a test to check the development of a child. A child is not very intelligent yet. But it is able to become it on its own just by observing. ChatGPT isn’t.

ChatGPT gained all of its abilities through observation, i.e. training. Changing the discussion from "understanding" to "self awareness" is really moving the goal posts.

I think the question has accidentally shifted here.

ChatGPT knows that hands have five fingers because it's trained on text and text will almost always say that.

DALL-E doesn't know that hands have five fingers, it just knows what hands generally look like, and the number of fingers on a hand is just one of the elements it tries to match. At a glance, there are far more important elements of what a hand looks like, such as the shading.

Neither of these mean either AI is stupid. DALL-E doesn't have a concept of what a hand is, it just has an idea of what is looks like, and it's decent at recreating that.

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