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> Florida already has the worst teacher shortage in the nation

This isn't new. Florida teacher shortage has existed for a long time. It's because Florida doesn't pay their teachers. This isn't likely to change anytime soon because Republicans have had a stranglehold on Florida since 1999, and they are notoriously anti-education.

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It's almost as if they're looking ahead to the next generation and reckoning that educated people are less likely to vote Republican.

Richer people vote Republican while poorer vote Democrat [1]. Being "educated" doesn't mean what you think it means

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-elections/exit-polls

EDIT: Since I can't reply the the threads below me, "education" can't just be had in the classroom. In fact as an experienced developer almost all of my education was outside the classroom. I suspect this is the case for most fields.

EDIT 2: Higher skilled "educated" people like surgeons, urologists, anesthesiologists, oncologists and orthodontists vote Republican[3]

[3] http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/

Your own link contains an education-level chart, too, which was the topic. You're the one claiming rich and educated are the same thing, not GP.

In addition to income, there are also correlations to race, education, gender, marital status, religion, gun ownership, etc. According to your source, support of Democrats goes up with the amount of education; from 36% of voters who never went to college, to 57% of voters who have an advanced degree. That's a bigger spread shown than the rich/poor divide that you're focused on.

Older people vote Republican. Older people tend to have accumulated more wealth than those just starting out.

> Older people tend to have accumulated more wealth than those just starting out.

Which has been true since the dawn of value exchange. That's part of why the outcry against "inequality" citing differences in income between a 20-year veteran of some career versus a new entrant in the market are so tough to swallow.

Wait twenty years... they'll be the same... Unless we change the rules to take it all away from everyone.

There's some truth to this, but nb. that "net worth at same age" stats for various generations in the US are bleak. Each generation since the Boomers has done worse than the one before at the same age, and the Boomer/X divide is already large.

Agreed completely. Many younger folk point me to graphs that show the value of the dollar and how it's vastly different compared to decades ago, but I simply say that's Democrat propaganda and they realize their mistake!

> EDIT: Since I can't reply the the threads below me, "education" can't just be had in the classroom. In fact as an experienced developer almost all of my education was outside the classroom. I suspect this is the case for most fields.

What you're describing is vocational training. Education typically includes forced ventures outside of one's own narrow worldview. That's why Republicans hate education. They want cogs with saleable vocational skills who won't question the narrow worldview that is preferred on the right.

When 99% of the Republican Party membership is voting against their personal economic interests in order to keep the other 1% rich, you really have to wonder what education they have had, if any.

> they are notoriously anti-education

Is it anti-education, pro-poverty, or both?

Conservatism requires an underclass, so, both I guess?

You're hilarious. The democrats thrive on welfare recipient votes.

They really got you vibing on that us v them toxicity don't they.

>The democrats thrive on welfare recipient votes

The data[0] doesn't support that claim.

[0] https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/welfare-rec...

That data does not dispute the claim.

FYI, your assertion is long known to be racist trope. First of all, no one, anywhere, ever, can "live" on welfare alone. It's just not possible. To live on welfare requires a job with some income. Further, if you earn less than $300K/yr, and you vote Republican, then you are voting adversely to your own economic interests and working against your own economic advancement. But if you make $300K/yr or more, then by all means...

A racist trope? What an absurd statement. Are you saying only 1 race uses welfare? That sounds kinda racist, but moreover it sounds like you're just trying to discourage discussion by throwing the R word around.

Of course you can live on welfare alone. Many do, and in fact it can become a full time job just to stay on welfare, especially when it becomes multi-generational.

Source: a partner who worked in the welfare offices and dealt with such people (of all races).

> Of course you can live on welfare alone.

This isn't my experience. Many who came into asking were even on minimum-wage jobs, just trying to survive.

Source: I worked in welfare offices and dealt with many people.

Yea I've been on welfare myself and it wasn't enough but I wasn't trying to make a job out of it and applying for all the different extra plans and what not, I was just trying to find a new job.

[0] https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/releases/image-of-...

Well Desantis raised teacher salaries in 2020 significantly:

https://flgov.com/2020/06/24/governor-ron-desantis-signs-his...

And is about to raise them more but with some possible union restrictions attached:

https://www.wfla.com/news/desantis-call-for-more-teacher-pay...

Florida has a booming economy. Maybe they want to preserve that over becoming "educated" like San Francisco?

What’s the definition of a booming economy? Florida’s GDP per capita is much closer to Vermont than California; the real GDP growth rate for Florida, while high, is also lower than California. [1]. Though of course with a large population the overall GDP for Florida is high.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_terr...

> Maybe they want to preserve that

Florida would have a booming economy if the governor's office and state administration was entirely staffed with armadillos. Florida's economy and low taxes are fueled by tourism, and since tourism is unlikely to go anywhere, neither is the booming economy, which has boomed through every administration, Republican or Democrat, since the end of WWII. There is nothing the fascist Santos administration could possibly do to either hurt or help Florida's economy, no matter how deeply he indulges his narcissism.

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