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Poetry certainly made our life much easier and was a productivity improvement. It the the tool that brought us back from Conda because it was able to solve environments than nothing in Pip land was able to do.

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It's unlikely Python would still be a popular language without Conda. As the article says, many Python users are not traditional software engineers - they need a tool that just works and Conda is the closest thing in the ecosystem.

Used to spend much time to optimize Gentoo Linux but eventually switched to Ubuntu to be productive. I feel Conda is similarly useful, especially if not considering Docker i.e. local dev, and am disappointed hackers seem to be dismissing it.

Poetry seems pretty slow due to some of the extra dependency logic it builds on top of pip. Whether this trade off is worth it probably depends on the scope of the project. For most of my projects I stick with pip and almost never run into issues.

The problem is that poetry/conda/etc chose to make their own thing to begin with, when they should've just improved the standard language tool with the features they wanted. That's one key difference between shit languages (such as R) and languages that have good tooling (e.g. Rust) - the community works on the core together more rather than each person doing their own thing and confusing everyone in the community by not having a standard way to do anything. Every package management developer for python should have just added features to the standard package manager instead of doing their own thing.

Was that before or after pip's new resolver was released at the end of 2020?

Before!

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