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Ah, but in that case would they mind it being harsh, brutal, and short? Given the configuration of their mind's hardware

On a side note, I get the impression most people just don't have a gut instinct for just how awful natural life is like for the most part

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They mind it about as much as we do, judging by how hard they try to avoid it. It's silly to assume we're so different from animals that we're the only ones who don't like pain and death.

Bacteria also try really hard to avoid being harmed and killed, yet most people don't consider that sufficient for those living beings

I don't see how that's relevant to the question of whether frogs "mind" being skewered by birds, which is the question I read from your post.

It was a rebuttal against

>They mind it about as much as we do, judging by how hard they try to avoid it

If there's an example of something trying hard to avoid it that's clearly incapable of minding anything, then you cannot establish a certain link between the capacity of minding it and trying to avoid it

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