PhD training is no longer fit for purpose – it needs reform now
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Uhh what? Is this some kinda myth teachers and professors want to perpetuate in order to be lazy about teaching?
Theres definetely research on what makes good education techniques "good". I agree that higher education serves as a filter, but you admitting that you and your colleagues have basicially no idea what they're doing while teaching says more about your ignorance than your teaching skills really.
I also have no interest in funding a selection process with my taxes (EU resident), I have an interest in funding a process which prepares people to be productive members of society, which means prepares them to contribute in a commercial for-profit setting as without this the state has no revenue with which to fund anything.
I also don't think what it selects for is of particular value to industry.
Here is the thing: The purpose of a PhD is to demonstrate the ability to conduct scientific research independently. When a student enters a PhD program, they should have all the prerequisites to do that. If not, the university has failed and the study program needs to be reformed. A PhD student needs to have the ability to conduct research and write a thesis, and they get more time for that than they will ever have again as a postdoc.
In my opinion it's really that simple: Do the research and write your PhD thesis, and finish it in time. This "training" idea comes from the US, and the only effect of this in Europe I've seen so far is that unnecessary and off-topic PhD courses with point systems have been invented. At least in my area, these are completely useless and merely delay work on the PhD thesis.
What they should do, however, is to stop the grade inflation and stop handing out a PhD to everyone, no matter how bad the thesis. That's the real problem, I've seen plenty of lazy, extremely low-effort theses, and every time the lazy PhD student passes the defense and gets the PhD. That devalues the PhD and the work of those who take it seriously. Please start to let at least the worst PhD students fail.
But actually I mostly agree with you. PhD should be focused on apprenticeship and nothing else.
This is field-dependent. In some fields, undergrads can already be independent researchers. In other fields, even postdocs are not independent, as doing research requires funding, materials, and labor. The latter is the real problem, as professors in those fields need a steady supply of PhD candidates to do their research.
You finish your college, you're officially an (eg.) engineer now, you can build a bridge, millions of people will use every year, and it's ok... but if you want to try out new compositions and additives of/to cement in a lab environment and measure their properties, you need a mentor, and six different unrelated courses... and preferably a well-known name to co-author your article, to get it published at all.
More importantly designing a bridge using a century old design, well understood materials, and sticking to all the well known, well documented and legally mandated best practices we have accumulated over the years is an entirely different skill than trying to come up with a novel and better way of designing or building a bridge and then conclusively proving that it is still at least as safe as the old way of building a bridge.
As an engineer just out of the school, you wont be the one responsible for building a bridge millions of people will use every year. It takes more years to get there.
Most people in PhD programs misunderstand the actual objectives (I sure did). They assume that the academic environment is just like the undergraduate one they have come out of. That is false.
To better understand the new rules that they are operating under, I suggest looking to 'literature'. The two best examples that I have found to illustrate the real 'rules' are:
1) The Horatio Hornblower series. It follows the career of a noble, poor, yet educated British naval officer during the Napoleonic Wars. It follows Horatio from midshipman to Admiral.
2) The Sharpe series. Also set during the Napoleonic Wars, this series follows the Army instead of the Navy. You read of the career of an orphaned son of a whore commoner who is elevated to officer rank. Much conflict with the inherited nobility and chafing occurs with the commoner protagonist.
It is quickly discovered by the protagonists of both series that to survive at officer rank, the lives and interests of the enlisted must be second to the demands of career. Much deeper discussions about this occur in both series.
The key for a PhD student is to observe the fighting and jockeying of the officers between each other over career. These dynamics, even through fictional books, are identical to the fights of academics even today. How the protagonists deal with these challenges should be a lesson to any PhD student in their own careers.
I don't disagree. But if we consider that researchers need to publish papers, requiring a PhD isn't not much different than requiring a bunch of publications (when you have 3-4 publications, basically you have a PhD thesis, just need to introduce context and glue everything together).
This is a gigantic problem and thank you for highlighting it. Imagine you're in the United States and you have a PhD but you're not a citizen here and you just invested a ton of time and effort but you have to go back home all because there's not a position in your field. It's absolutely nonsensical to think about how the United States justs pisses away talent.
I am curious on how these new structures would look.
Most of what they do know is of limited value. They don't seem to really grasp the fundamentals of computers very well, they maybe grasp some math, but nothing more than what they could have learnt in maybe 3 months or less, and the math is pretty useless if they don't have a feeling for how to apply it to something like a stateless microservice.
I think in our industry having these people go directly to work internships would be much more valuable for them and society than what is currently happening. While I do think free education is good in principle, I am not very happy that my tax money is propping up this broken system.
I'm not saying everyone needs a PhD in computer science to program, but there's a lot of pain incurred by people who could avoid it with a basic understanding of the fundamentals of CS.
I agree, but I don't think a PhD in computer science reliably instills this in anyone, or at least not on scales that you operate on in industry.
On the contrary, My masters in computer science from Denmark has really helped me professionally. But I had exposure to engineering aside my studies throughout all the years.
I agree, but to me that is somewhat the main problem. The most important thing that my tax money should be funding is industry preparation, but if you conflate that with other functions, everything gets muddled. Most of our education resources (>95%) should be exlusively for industry preparation. If we do it well, then remaining 5% will become higher.
In my opinion, tax money should mostly go towards building a prosperous society, whatever that means. But some things I see as being highly important:
1. Education in active participation in a democracy 2. Education to be able to take care of their physical and mental health 3. Education to be able to be empathetic towards their peers. 4. Education to create jobs rather than inhabit them
I don't see it as a error per se, that a lot of people in Denmark (My country of origin) do a masters degree in-order to take a normal subsistence job afterwards.
My own hopes for the future is that education does not take 5-6 years and is something that is only done in ones 20s but is something that is a lifelong companion and helps a person accelerate their careers, also later in life.
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> 1. Education in active participation in a democracy 2. Education to be able to take care of their physical and mental health 3. Education to be able to be empathetic towards their peers. 4. Education to create jobs rather than inhabit them
Some of these things, or some aspects of these things, are quite heavily prescriptive, i.e. values that you think people ought to have as opposed to descriptive, i.e. facts people ought to know. And I don't think education ought to, or can meaningfully, instill values in people that is different from the society they inhabit.
And to the extent that these things are not prescriptive, but descriptive (i.e. how to take care of your own physical health), it really should be done before university, and way before post graduate education.
> I don't see it as a error per se, that a lot of people in Denmark (My country of origin) do a masters degree in-order to take a normal subsistence job afterwards.
If a masters degree implies 5-6 years, which I think it does for engineering, then I do see a problem with it, because it is not free.
Also from what I understand people do past the 1st year of higher education it really has little relation to any of the things you list. So even if it was the purpose of having people spend 5-6 years at university, I don't see it working out.
1. I know a thing or two about computing etc. and how we should apply that on a societal level from my masters in computer science. I use that to engage in the discussion. Someone else has studies science of religion and can chip in with insights there.
2. Having an advanced degree has taught me a thing or too about reading and understanding research and critical thinking, which has helped me understand the extremely scattered market for health advice.
3. Having lived large parts of my adult life on a sub subsistence level has helped me be empathetic towards poverty etc.
4. Having an advanced degree helps you assess new projects and ventures that might be worth pursuing entrepreneurially.
It is unclear how having enough enough resources so that you could not produce anything for 6 years makes it easier for you to understand poverty than people who never had such privilege. I'm sure any person actually in poverty would much rather do nothing productive for 6 years while still having a roof over their heads, a dry place to sleep and food to eat.
I think if being empathetic towards poverty is something that is important to it may be better obtained by just sending people to an impoverished place with no resources, social support structures or accommodation for a week.
Perhaps the thing to disrupt stale academia will be a wave of bootcamp PhD's coming out of Lambda University. In the short term, there may be a side effect of deflating the FAANG-style compensation, job stability, and perks of "tenured faculty." It seems obvious that there is an enormous benefit of a more mobile, agile, and adaptable academic workforce of folks who only contract to teach for a semester or two before dipping back into industry careers or trying out another institution (or maybe even working at multiple institutions at once to broaden their teaching and research skills!).
And even now, people who came from bootcamps are rare compared to the above.
Are we going to up the degree requirements for everything? High school to college diploma, bachelor's to master's, master's to doctorate, doctorate to ???
In less fortunate areas you can be consigned to a permanent adjunct or postdoctoral purgatory.
At some point I've considered that a second master's in a complementary field could make more sense than a PhD.
Because why would you linger around in university if you can have a serious income ten years earlier? Obviously something must be "wrong" with you, something that would make you a complicated employee that just asks for creating trouble. Better hire a CS bachelor for a third of what you would ask (risking you'd run as soon as you get some offer more to your liking), not like we're doing any revolutionary bleeding-edge stuff anyways.
He gets to be an indentured servant, but in the end hopefully he will have a piece of Paper from a 1st world country that will certify his already substantial CS skills. (also possibly, a Foreign nationality down the line, providing yet another piece of paper, a passport with respect)
In addition, my sister and nieces get to live in a good country, and I have been very impressed by their education, even a state school in UK is miles ahead of any private school we could afford here.
It's a trade he made, despite knowing he was being made a sucker, because the Upshot was going to be worth it in a decade's time. He was going to spend those years in academia (at a uni in my 3rd world country) anyways, why not get something for it?
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I think that's how the assembly line will work in developed countries. As local citizens (like you and other commenters here) realize the two letters (Dr) are not worth the effort, uni will turn to academics from other countries, instead of actually reforming the system.
I suspect this has already happened.
In 1940, 25% of the population were high school graduates and 4% had college degrees.
Today, 30% of the population have college degrees, and ~4% of the population have PhD, MD, JD etc.
So a college degree doesn't indicate what it once did.
Not saying it should be like that, nor that it is completely impossible to advance in those countries without. It's more that there's a glass ceiling through which you'll have to break if you don't have a PhD. And I have talked with PhD students with such backgrounds who were quite clear on that. For a (to me) surprising number of them, an academic career was not the main goal at all (not necessarily completely ruled out, but not the original main goal).
Education is changing before our eyes. The world increasingly has all the material and resources to learn, customized and tailored to the ability of each student. There will soon be a tipping point where traditional school-based education becomes irrelevant, all-at-once
This is actually studied subject. Everyone needs general knowledge base before they even realise why they study at all. The whole point of university is to shape your thinking model.
Even your movie experience will be downgraded. If you don't know Western fairytales, you will find Shrek movie unfunny.
As Wikipedia points out, "The doctorates in the higher faculties were quite different from the current PhD degree in that they were awarded for advanced scholarship, not original research. No dissertation or original work was required, only lengthy residency requirements and examinations." and "The doctorate of philosophy developed in Germany as the terminal teacher's credential."
The modern system, with its focus on research training, is derived from Prussian educational reforms in the early 1800s, which then spread around the world.
I can imagine that. My own programme had two terms with exams in January and May/June, then the dissertation from June till September and it was a nightmare!
> I can certainly perceive a scaling issue in academia. Will MOOC-style initiatives be able to solve this problem in the future?
If I were running a university, I'd definitely move the large early undergrad courses to MOOCs to free up lecturers time for more advanced/specialised courses and direct supervision of students. It seems crazy to me that there are thousands of basic algorithms, calculus, etc courses being taught across the world by people who could use their time a lot more productively teaching the more specialised knowledge they have acquired through their research.
Universities are in a position where they have to balance teaching quality with research output, and there's a tremendous amount of pressure for (I would say!) the majority of universities around student experience that I think is underplayed in this thinking. In my experience MOOCs are not a substitute for in-person teaching, and the move to this kind of content delivery during COVID was met with pretty universal student dissatisfaction, both from students and lecturers.
I think a more appropriate approach is for there to be more clearly defined system for teaching/researching - i.e. post-doctoral staff who have mainly teaching responsibilities and others who are mainly research based. This win-win is already the case in a number of institutions and departments I know, however I know a lot of staff on both sides who would like total separation if desired. It's not a positive student experience to have lecturers who openly do not want to be there!
That's a very good idea. That could even free resources for allowing research opportunities for more students.
I dont trust them to actually improve it.
If there's an over supply of overqualified postdocs, maybe they could help train new PhDs?
Why? That would merely increase the number of unemployed postdocs. There are already too many people with a PhD, not too few.
Are you at a University people will recognise the name of (perhaps even internationally)? I have a friend at a small department at a smaller university and his department sometimes struggles to even get 2 or 3 actually qualified candidates to their postdoc applications.
Could it be summarized as approximately 'The current PhD system has good points but it's several decades old, you learn from someone who actually knows the stuff in practice, and politicians don't want to spend enough for it despite lionizing the economic value of the outcomes'?
I fail to see the problems beyond the obvious, and while there are obvious problems, people with agendas published under titles like "Towards a Global Core Value System in Doctoral Education" seem uniquely qualified to aggravate them.
If anyone is to muck around with one of the core arrangements for real scientific research (on a global scale, no less) they had better be very clear about the distinctions between "changed" and "actually improved".
But one thing that no one is addressing, is the fact that a much of the reproducibility crisis is caused by bad methodologies. Why are PhDs still misapplying statistical tools meant for normal distributions, by using them for power law distributions? That's endemic in the social sciences (see: economics, psychology). Why aren't universities giving all PhD students a proper background in stats & probability?
Should society be saddled with excessive taxes for academic welfare?
Society pays for a lot of waste, so maybe it's unfair to single out academia. But it's a symptom of some kind of imbalance.
In the US, PhD training typically consists of a coursework phase and a research phase, with a target duration of about 5 years. In the EU, a PhD has a target duration of 3 years, according to the European Qualifications Framework [1]. While some coursework will typically be demanded in EU PhDs, it would usually be more lightweight than the coursework in a 5-year US PhD. Some EU institutions will offer doctoral schools that mimic the US model, some institutions will actually offer multiple styles of doctorates in parallel programs (even for the same subject). The UK has 'Centres for Doctoral Training' (CDT) and 'Doctoral Training Partnerships' (DTPs) which look like a compromise between the US and EU models (with typically one year of coursework preceding the research phase). CDTs can be joint programs between multiple universities, with students commuting to other institutions to take classes. CDTs and DTPs are are offered alongside regular PhD programs in the UK (the latter will look more like the EU model in most cases and more like the US model in some). Other countries and regions will often have a similar mix of US- and EU-style training programs. Add to this various lesser known types of doctoral programs like part-time PhDs, professional doctorates, DBAs (Business Doctorates in the US), 'PhD by Publication' in the UK, PhDs that are primarily based at non-university research labs like CERN, Max-Planck-Institutes,... and you will see that the term 'PhD' or 'Doctorate' can refer to vastly different types of academic programs, lasting anywhere from 2 to 8 years, being based at one or multiple or no university, with coursework being anything from absent to equivalent to a 2-year Master's program, funding being provided by a professor, a university, a foundation, a government, a corporation or not at all, having one or multiple supervisors, administering letter, numeric or no grades at all, requiring substantial teaching to none at all,... There is really no point in talking about 'PhD training' or its shortcomings without clarifying which of those countless different types of programs you mean.
The premise of the article seems to be that there exists a uniform model of PhD training that emerged in the 19th century and hasn't been reformed since, which simply doesn't stand up to closer inspection.
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