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Apple is probably like "let's just wait this out and let Zuck take all the heat and pain of getting this figured out. By that time he'll be out of money and we'll look like the heroes for fixing everything. If we go in too early with even a 90% baked product we have nothing to gain."

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I respect Apple for having restraint and not shipping products they don’t believe in.

It’s sometimes a pain to have them trail behind on features that aren’t just perfect to their taste (a touch enabled laptop is long overdue for instance…), but in areas where they’re expected to just be one player among others it stays a healthy stance.

In the meantime, the Quest2 will continue to be the no-brained choice for those who want to dip their toe in the field.

Apple Watch was much less than 90% baked on launch IMO. But old-fashioned iterations obviously has work very well for it.

I think Apple Watch was a far safer bet. Wrist watches have been a thing for a long time. It's pretty clear that people would enjoy even basic functionality on their wrist.

Very true. I started down the rabbit hole of Casio, Timex and Seiko after borrowing my wife's 1st-gen Apple Watch for a few days.

It was good enough and getting notifications on your watch so you don’t have to pull out your phone is probably the top reason people get an Apple Watch. That’s the reason I wear mine. Only thing that was flawed with the first version is that it wasn’t waterproof.

>It was good enough and getting notifications on your watch so you don’t have to pull out your phone is probably the top reason people get an Apple Watch. That’s the reason I wear mine.

That's the reason I bought mine and is also the reason I stopped wearing it 2 years later in favor of my old Timex and Casio combo. Now I'm mentally and emotionally way more at ease, plus, those watches look cooler.

Having access to notifications on my writs and being always connected felt cool and novel in the beginning, now it feels like hell.

I'm curious if there's other people who also upgraded to a dumb watch?

>Having access to notifications on my writs and being always connected felt cool and novel in the beginning, now it feels like hell.

There is an option to if you swipe down to turn off all notifications when you do not want them, or you can schedule it.

Yes obviously, duh I know, but I just don't want notifications at all anymore.

I went from Apple Watch/Fitbit to Casios and mechanical watches, too. I remember when Microsoft Band first came out their commercial was showing people checking notifications in many scenarios, including with friends and family. I was like, yuck, I absolutely don't want to be distracted in these situations. A truly smart watch should actually do the opposite: block notifications when it can tell you're with family.

Can you explain the combo? You wear two watches at once?

lol, no. It means I switch between the two depending on occasion and mood. The Casio is my daily driver to the office and the Timex is my outdoor/workout watch.

I think there's a difference between "90% baked" and "in retrospect, didn't have features it's most commonly used for now."

I mean, iPhone didn't have 3G or the ability to run third-party apps at launch, but nobody could credibly claim it was only 90% baked in 2007.

I think it makes sense, they're not normally first movers.

What they're doing is completely different. AR is meant as a tool to greatly enhance your day to day life, while VR is more focused on entertainment.

Quest Pro has AR features. They seem to call it mixed reality for some reason.

I think the difference is that mixed reality is assuming you will mostly stay in one place with defined boundaries, and the device doesn't take in a lot of spatial information about where you are. But it has video pass through so you are aware of your surroundings. Augmented reality is similar, but it is more like trying to illustrate on the world around you (put an object on the real table in front of you). AR is draw on your environment as you move around. MR is like VR with pass through.

I think the distinction they have is helpful. They call it mixed reality because when people say AR, they assume virtual stuff overlaid on the actual real world stuff (like with glasses). Quest Pro isn't that, you don't look at the real world through lenses, you are looking at what the camera feed of the real world in front of you displayed on the "screen".

Technology like VR can, if someone figures out a way to make it useful, take over the world by storm. It’s a sure bet that for any such technology Apple has projects going on, just to make sure they aren’t caught by surprise.

Mark has unlimited money. Meta is incredibly profitable and that’s not changing anytime soon. No reason for me to think mark will do anything but continue to double down on a platform that makes them unbeholden to anyone.

eg the Apple way - iPod, iPhone, etc

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