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Why would a new project in 2023 choose PHP over anything else (modern Java, Kotlin, C#, etc.)?

Because people can make whatever decisions they want based on their own list of tradeoffs. I can tell you from experience laravel is far easier to get going than any c# or Java framework. You can SPRINT through a project in laravel and then break it into pieces after the fact.

I would pick it if I wanted to launch something new without getting stuck in premature optimization hell. Bigger org I probably would not unless I was building an isolated POC.

Personally I'd reach for PHP because I think Eloquent is a great ORM. I've built applications with Eloquent, Doctrine, Entity Framework, and Prisma and although I'd prefer to write my own SQL queries when working with a team that has little to no SQL knowledge Eloquent has been one of the best ORMs I've used.

The rich ecosystem, the amount of developers experienced with it, ease of deployment and maintenance

Kinda applies to anything (Ruby, Python, Rust, Java, Javascript, ...)

Why would anyone in 2023 use Java or choose to be locked into Microsoft?

Why "locked into"? When choosing JavaScript, you're locked into JavaScript (and Ecma International), when choosing Kotlin, you're locked into Kotlin (and Jetbrains). You're always "locked into" the language and its ecosystem, no matter what you choose. I don't find that to be a real argument.

In the front end you have no choice but in the backend you have all the choice into the world. No you’re not always locked in the backend if you have a decentralized system where each service can be based on a different language but yea, I don’t like Java or Java like languages so I will never use especially one maintained by microsoft.

Speaking of which, how good is .NET on Linux nowadays?

I know it was possible for a long time (with the release .NET Core), but heard it was kind of broken/cumbersome on Linux. Maybe now it's easier to just develop an ASP.NET app, host it on Linux and use Posgres/Mysql instead of SQL Server?

Nothing cumbersome about it, on the contrary. Just give it a try!

because PHP kicks ass :)

PHP is a whole server system. The other things you mentioned are just languages.