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Totally agree. I have some hope that the current high-profile layoffs makes (at least some) non-technical people to leave the industry. I have even started seeing more and more developers that have 0 interest in programming and are in it for the money, and it shows.

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The great outsourcing panic of the late 90's and early 00's was pretty great at weeding out those who didn't care one bit about code.

Anecdotally, but a new grad was telling me a number of his peers in college had the explicit goal of not coding two years out of a CS degree. Most of them were eying PM positions or "Tech Evangelist" roles.

I saw this exact same thing when studying CS in the early 2000s. A bunch of people said they only wanted to write code for a couple of years then get an MBA and become managers. Sounded crazy to me!

I remember in a third year OS class overhearing a huddle where the consensus was that computer science was a great major, but programming sucked.

I was too traumatized to really process that for years ... lol.

It is very helpful to my recovery to hear of other somewhat similar(?) experiences!

i have interest in programming and i am in for the money, but the money is too small for the madness of the office

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