I deleted all my social media 3 yrs ago and I hardcore regret it everyday
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> cant make a new Facebook in 2023 and add all these old friends. Literally psychotic behavior.
There is nothing "psychotic" about signing up again and adding some old friends again. Many people leave social media and return when they feel more comfortable. They are the only thing blocking themselves from the social interaction they are missing.
> I live alone by choice with my cat and separate from my parents and all my siblings and yeah we all text but it’s still nice seeing social media posts from everyone. Maybe I’d feel less isolated. I also feel left out when they talk about some stuff they see.
Again they isolate themselves by choice then complain about isolation. There is nothing stopping them from socialising. Nobody has 'ghosted' them or excluded them from anything.
Seems to me like this is somebody that took things too far with a total cut of all social contact rather than just removing some of the more toxic elements of social media from their lives.
I don't use Facebook, Instagram, Twitter or TikTok because I didn't enjoy the never ending stream of content but I still use reddit, Hacker News (obviously), Discord and Slack for keeping in touch with "online friends". You don't have to go to absolute zero for social media to cut out the majority of the toxic stuff but still get some of the benefits from it.
Maybe not so extreme but if an old friend added me on Facebook I would immediately assume they want something…
But I have to say, I still have Facebook on my phone, and open it from time to time, and it’s pretty barren. I think the consensus among my peers is that sharing something on Facebook is signaling that you’re socially undesirable… so if he signs up again, I think he will find it doesn’t help at all.
(Though I still like Facebook as a contact list of last resort)
Fair point as this person does want something. They want that friendship back.
If an old friend adds me on Facebook and then starts trying to sell me some vitamin programme that is very different to if they add me back and are like "Oh man I've missed you, I deleted Facebook but it's so hard as an adult with a job, etc. to keep in touch with people isn't it? How you and the family doing? I'm sorry I just cut off contact like that, I thought it would be better but I was so wrong".
It all depends on the motives and actions. It seems this person is sincere in that they feel they really screwed up just cutting all social ties how they did.
If a friendship stops existing because you delete a Facebook account, it was never a friendship. Or at least wasn't one by then.
> It’s perfectly okay to have causal online friends from school, childhood, work etc and only talk through social media and keep up that way.
That's fine, because OP missed their friends who do share on Facebook, not your status-chasing peers and their current Meta meta.
That I can understand is upsetting much like not having backups of family photos and the drive dying. Why they did not export their content I do not know. Facebook, etc. have all had "check out" functionality for many years now, all before the pandemic hit.
Seems they rushed into closing their accounts rather than exporting and backing all those memories up and without any kind of plan on what to do to fill the social void it would great. As a commenter wrote in reply to them "I gave up eating McDonald's everyday but now I have no food."
I suspect there's something psychological going on. The mere existance of the profile and history, not active use, causes mental strain.
Just turning notifications off for all of them is a pretty good balance for me. That way I'm only opening them when I think to do it.
I'd highly recommend that as a first step if anyone's feeling overwhelmed and considering what OP did.
Maybe autistic or with some heavy anxiety.
Not exactly news worthy IMO...
This seems like a good description for most of Reddit. I have a feeling that the platform’s karma system is geared towards incentivizing these kinds of posts and thought patterns.
And here we are, where some guy believes that rekindling a prior conversation with a friend or acquaintance is psychotic.
I saw it happen to a few people from my high school. Above average IQ people spending too much time reading reddit and ending up with some weirdly elitist but also juvenile opinions on social interactions. Stuff like "DAE think small talk is pointless?" or "I never realized how impossible it is to make friends in adulthood" is pretty common.
Subs like /r/relationships, /r/offmychest, /r/amitheasshole, etc. are the worst because while the topics are about offline, real-life encounters, it's mostly just very-online, neuroatypical folks sharing their thoughts. One ends up thinking they're getting a fair majority perspective, when really you're getting the perspective of what's otherwise a pretty marginal outgroup.
Articles about this topic have been on very respected news sites for awhile, so at least that one exists outside the bubble you're referring to.
Some people just never really learned to initiate new friendship and only relied on people inviting them, being in a university with events helping new friendships etc..
They never initiate contact while communicating nonstop with everyone on social media- just not me. It started when I left social media.
I think that we have all been trained to expect communication to come as a social media post, message, like, emoji, etc. It's too much effort to reach out to one person privately.
> It's too much effort to reach out to one person privately.
And yet millions of people do it every day, so it's not too much effort. The difference is we reach out to those that we have more than a superficial connection to. If we develop real relationships. they won't rely solely on low effort communication.My takeaway. It's not enough to cut off social media if it consumes your life, you have to replace it with something. We're social creatures that require validation.
In fact - I did that, and my facebook (and Twitter) experiences have been a lot better, since I was a lot more careful about who I added. I quit Facebook years ago (around the time of the 2016 election) because I had so many casual acquaintances on my feed posting things I really didn't want to be reading, but then I felt weird going through and unfriending them one by one. I re-joined just recently and I have only a handful of people on my feed who only post positive things, and it's actually a pleasant experience.
I'm pretty sure Facebook 'archives' your account and allows reactivation just for people in this position...
I still have discord, but I am super careful to make sure I only stay in channels when I need them and then immediately leave when I no longer have a use for it.
I also add their sites to ublock as they are many times disguised advertising networks. "why yes I love seeing the last thing I looked at on amazon all over the web" /s.
Zero regrets and if anything my social life improved, didn't get worse.
It is true that Facebook is nowadays the reference point to stay in touch with what's happening locally (events and things like that), but this has maybe impacted a bit my knowledge of cool events around, not my social life.
Remember before you delete the bird on your phone buy some real ones.
BTW: Don't use the pigeons around the us/mexican border.
But, we have still mailing-list and signal, but a pigeon is used for BBQ invitations...the important stuff, we have one where the pigeons can life and he cares for them...we pay our share (everyone is the owner of three pigeons).
You probably haven't really tried other than what most people do - declare to themselves that they won't look at Twitter (for example) and then feel bad an hour later when they notice they are looking at Twitter.
I know he doesn't have the best reputation around here, but James Clear's book Atomic Habits has some pretty good advice about building new habits.
If I were trying to stop reading HN, I would start small. Tell myself I won't reload it for 30 minutes (or whatever - some small easily achieved goal). I would keep setting small goals like that and then start to stretch the time. I would also need something to replace the activity in those time when I reach for HN reflexively. I keep a guitar at work that I'll noodle on or I'll read for a few minutes, write something to myself, go make tea, step outside for some sun and air, etc...
Eventually it just became natural to do other thing instead.
I've no idea why this is and have more important things to do with my time then try to explain or rationalize this phenomenon but it was definitely a thing.
Just kind of reflect on your impulse here to be mean to this person, or to poke holes in their story, show their hypocrisy. Why? Whats really at stake here? Is this really something like a moral failing? Do you counter them with a more normal way to be a person? It is precisely bad faith, in Sartre's schema, to act like you know, to forget the ineffable uncertainty of being human and to act like, actually, we are all users, and there are good ways to be one or not, or good places to be a user or not.
To find superiority at all in yourself for your particular consumption or social habits is, if you reflect honestly for a second, the truly shameful thing. We are all figuring it out.
It's worse than that, which is why OP is upset.
Social media is more an financially backed mind-altering alien takeover of human sociality.
It's like poisoning the water supply. People can't just say "well, the water's poisonous; obviously the smart choice is to stop drinking water." People need water. People need people. And when your people are socializing on social media, your water supply is poisoned.
I've missed social events in the past and then bumped into someone and they've said something like 'why weren't you at x? Didn't you see it on social media?', nobody asked me directly, so i wasn't aware / didn't go.
Some acquientices and a few friends have a group chat, they meet up about twice a year, but all year round they are posting memes and general nonsense, mostly from the people I barely know, so i put the chat on mute, but then I miss out on the meet ups i've attended for many years, since i didn't even know they where happening, it's just assumed everyone is reading the thousands of messages and huge intrusion of time from everyone all the time.
I feel like it's altered the very way we socialise and not just that, they way we learn about new stuff (most marketing is social media or internet based these days).
this is not meant to be judgmental (of you or your circle of friends), but if nobody asked you directly, would that not send a signal to you that maybe they are not that interested in hanging out? I personally don't have many friends, but among the few that i have, it is unlikely that they would fail to notify me in person if there was an event that we would mutually enjoy (and vice versa). Are you talking here about more distant acquaintances/coworkers than friends?
They did then invite me directly to the next one.
It is what you make of it. If you make $16/hr and you follow people who post short videos from their yacht, you're gonna have a bad time. If you drive a 1991 Ford Taurus and you follow people who have $4M in vehicles, you're going to have a bad time. If you can't fucking stand your Aunt Suzy with her hot takes, yet you have her listed as a close relative, you're going to have a bad time.
If you coach youth sports and you follow a few local area to fringe area groups, you will find camps/clinics/tournaments, keep up to date in the goings on, and have a good time. If you enjoy working on cars and you follow a few groups related to tips and tricks in that genre, you'll have a good time. If you really want to get into gardening, but don't think you can do it yourself, you can find a local group that does stuff in various community gardens, which will give you a push (in either direction) to help your curiosity about gardening.
1. Intensification of tribalism.
2. Manipulates you making you to believe that certain things are a widely accepted trend or consensus.
3. Create, on the big scale, the habit of consuming short content, demolishing your attention span.
4. Makes you to dehumanize very easily people as what you get is a virtual representation of a human, and IMO, makes easy to become arrogant and discard opinions and depreciate the value of others.
5. Gives you a false expectation of reality (like traditional marketing but worse IMO)
Of course one could still be using social media and fight oneself against those things but I think:
1. There is a multi billion conglomerate of companies investing for making you to fall in some of the aforementioned points among others not mentioned.
2. There is no point. I consider that the value of social media is, in big part, just an enchantment we've fallen in. It has way less value than we think.
So, what I try to do these days is to force myself to consume content that requires certain cognitive effort I consider beneficial. Personally: books, play videogames, watch movies, play instrument, learn new languages, write code, do sports, focus in real people around me and learn from them etc. Always trying to analyze and think on what I am doing and focusing as much as possible.
No, I haven't become some kind of ascetic but I think that overall it has helped, a lot, with developing more empathy, humbleness, less anxious and stable in my ideas and my perception of the world surrounding me.
PS: Yes, I still use Hacker news that some might consider social media, but I do because the content, whether are comments or articles linked, has good quality and the mindset of the community is quite rational and common sense prevails most of the time.
I’d never felt the need to delete my social media, mainly because it was a tool to stay in contact with friends, and people I care about, and stay up to date on events without having to personally ask all the time.
This doesn’t really work anymore, nowadays, as FB didn’t get enough engagement from this use case and destroyed it, but it was great while it lasted.
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I dunno. There’s lots of good reasons I think. You wouldn’t criticize a cigarette smoker for not keeping a pack around just in case. You wouldn’t think it’s weird if someone gave away a shirt they don’t like. You don’t keep a bank account open after you’re done using it. All of this is just a form of life maintenance that provides closure so you don’t have to think about it anymore.
Just because Facebook is ubiquitous doesn’t mean it has a right to exist in someone’s life. And since there is plenty of reason to believe that it may be more detrimental than good for a lot of people, account deletion should be normalized.
Although it would be hypercritical in my part to not point out that I do waste a lot more time in websites like Reddit or Hacker News where I'm anonymous but still talk with others so it is a kind of social media. I guess it would be very difficult for me to go completely free of social media. Even though I rarely use Twitter, Instagram or Facebook.
Why do write like that's not a major part of human emotional health?
You would never call "friend" such a person in many other languages, in both Polish and Italian we have a word for such people which is similar to acquaintance.
Because by the description you people don't seem like friend at all. You just happen to have hanged out a decade ago for some time but never really had a meaningful long lasting relationship like a friendship.
Yet in the UI in these languages isn't using the nuanced word, is it? I don't think it's an issue of the language, they sugarcoated it deliberately (or everyone misunderstood the meaning anyway).
This is a very AA model of addiction and recovery that doesn't align with the experiences of many people or the frameworks used by many medical professionals specialized in addiction.
It's not wrong but it's only one very specific expression of what addicts "have to" do and why. If it's not completely true in that context it probably isn't in this one either.
How many hours a week are you on social media, and how does that compare with the benefits you get?
So to me usage is already pretty 'extreme' by most people, the issue being that cutting it out completely is also 'extreme' considering how much of it is part of our world now. There are a lot of great things that i see, learn and get to experience through social media or at least the internet, things like hacker news, reddit etc are more valuable to me in this way, but it does enhance my actual life, because it's the core communication and marketing tool now, so to find out about new and interesting trends, it is needed in some way.
We need just to find a better relationship with it all, the problem is the tools are generally designed in such ways to avoid us from finding that better relationship, because that doesn't serve the service, they want the ad revenue and as much attention as possible.
For me that is reddit and Hacker news, I have instagram that i browse on occasion too, to keep up with a few peoples day/life, but then i avoid the rest like the plague, I still really need to cut down my usage of some of those though.
Who wants to get involved in a political discussion, or have their more quirky hobbies and interests silently judged from afar by the work colleagues or elderly relatives among your facebook friends?
But I agree with you that the most basic (or old) experience of reddit is not of a social media platform.
You can't dm users, you can't subscribe to/follow users and the content on the page isn't catered to you: it's the same for everyone.
I don't really believe message boards are social media.
I haven't used FB in years, sometimes check Twitter when linked to something there, do check reddit (but follow only a few subs), and HN obviously. For me, online boards/social are for anonymous-ish socializing. My IRL friends I see/text/email.
The key point is that conversations are transactional around content; the only interactions are in public comment threads under links or text posts.
Social media is the opposite: you start by connecting with people, and then talk about whatever you or your connections feel like talking about.
I've seen a handful of cases of people like the reddit OP who seemed to try to divorce themselves from the content mills, in spite of the fact that they had a healthy relationship with social media, and an internal drive for these little interactions with old acquaintances that facebook is great at fostering. It's not clear why some of these folks, including the OP, choose to fix something that's not a problem, but the outcome he received is largely the outcome that is intended.
The idea of divorcing yourself from social media is to achieve a bunch of subjective goals. Less time wasted, less distraction, less meaningless interactions etc., are all in the eye of the beholder.
I honestly couldn't stand it before. I saw so much crap from "friends" that I wasn't interested in. My real friends never posted anything interesting because we already had private group chats or emails for anything funny or controversial. If I want to discuss religion or politics then I want to discuss it in a smaller group not on a public forum where random people I don't know that well try to get in a cheap shot.
I realized that stupid facebook posts and the ads were there to make me angry and interact with the platform.
I never bothered with twitter. Never made an account and only go there when I follow a link from another site. It just seems like a horrible way to communicate with such short sentences. The top comments always seem to be racist, sexist, or both and the inability to downvote makes me just leave the platform rather than interact with anyone there.
Instagram has turned into 3 ads for every post from a friend. Everyone else said the same thing and we all stopped posting there.
I've never looked at tiktok.
Now I have 2 Slack groups with friends and 2 Whatsapp groups. At least for now there are no ads there.
I love reddit because it is anonymous and I am the one who decides which subreddits to follow rather than some algorithm feeding me crap. I subscribe to about 200 subreddits and most of them are niche interests. I only spend about 5 minutes a day on the "popular" or "all" pages these days while I spend over an hour going through pages of my own subreddits that I love.
I like interacting with people in real life, my friends online, and random people online but I want to choose what I see.
As for all the losing your posts and pics, back it up first. I've got 100TB of data with photos older than me and files from 1991.
What is a good healthy way to use the internet and how do you establish that?
edit: not intended to be specifically about SO
They basically voluntarily isolated themselves.
Unfortunately a lot of things in life -- that is if you're going good at them --require long periods of isolation, from hours to days. Reading, studying, homework, writing papers, research etc....
A great choice in my part.
Not gonna click through to see if he understands he's still posting on a social media site.
The whole point of not using social media is to push you to actually meet people in real life. Form real connections instead of reading single sentence comments.
This guy is too scared to even make a new profile because he would have to send new friend requests to all of his "friends".
While that can be a reason, it's not "the whole point". I backed way off on social media a few years ago simply because I found it toxic. I didn't have trouble before that meeting people in real life, nor did it particularly change my behavior in that regard when I left most of the social media behind.
I’ve had friends leave social media in a very holier-than-thou manner.
Coming back for them wouldn’t just involve re-adding friends, but eating a lot of crow in the process.
But setting that aside, I do find the post a bit sad. I think it points to the fact that even while social media is making us depressed, the world changed so much with its introduction that it can be difficult to operate without it depending on your personality type, the nature of your current support system, and friend group.
And if you suffer from social anxiety on top of that, things are only worse.
I don’t actively use social media, don’t have the apps installed, don’t have active browser sessions, and use Firefox Facebook container, but I didn’t delete my accounts either.
It's like when you bump into someone you know who you used to call on the phone and they ask you for your number. It's a little jarring knowing they consciously took actions to sever ties. This alone basically ensures that any preexisting bonds will most likely not ever be the same.
I deleted my accounts and felt similarly. There was a positive aspect to it but sometimes I try to find photos from certain period in my life but realise they were on a deleted account. Or I understand something someone once said to me and I want to reach out and tell them that I finally understood what they meant but I have no means of contacting them.
Its so easy to see the bad that social media has caused but if you have lived pre-internet you know the feeling of mistakenly loosing people forever. Maybe the risk of that enriched the experiences at the time though. It's so long ago now it's hard to remember.