Conservative group targets migrant cell phone data, raising privacy concerns
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Would a complete openness be an alternative? Everybody knows everything about everyone? You wanna know what did I watch on pornhub yesterday? Be my guest, but I know that you were looking at this information. And you know that I know it. Perfect society, innit?
> We were born on this [slippery slope], and we will die on this slope. It spreads infinitely in all directions, and where we choose to scramble to on its face is the task of our lives
SFP on "Slippery Slope" - https://strongfemaleprotagonist.com/issue-6/page-125-2/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnomon_(novel)
The setting is one like you describe. It's... well, it's such an absolutely incredible story that it's almost impossible to describe succinctly and accurately. I'd say one of the themes of the story is "what would it be like to live in a place like this, if it actually worked and worked well?". That isn't to say it's utopian, or that the problems and issues of the system don't exist or aren't talked about, but neither would I say it's about those issues.
Anyone who wants to track me will have to pay someone to actually follow me around which would cost more than anyone stands to make from the data they would obtain.
No, everyone opted in to using services. Tracking was buried in legalese in an unenforceable unilateral "contract".
> and we can opt out again too
Too little, too late, and unenforceable. You might opt-out of the ways you know are being tracked but there's hundreds of ways that you can be tracked without even knowing about it.
> Anyone who wants to track me will have to pay someone to actually follow me around which would cost more than anyone stands to make from the data they would obtain.
I'm not sure you understand just how much profit there is in controlling entire populations by monitoring and predicting what they do.
I use Whonix for most personal browsing, I use 0 GAFAM services or products by surveillance capitalism companies, I do not own a smartphone, I randomize my wifi MAC addresses, and the majority of my transactions are in cash or anonymized bitcoin.
License plate plate cameras, facial/gait recognition systems, and airline tickets are about the only automated ways left to track me that I am aware of.
In general cash raises the least eyebrows and is reasonably anonymous.
Also not having a cellular connection is not a burden once you learn how to navigate for yourself again, and know how to quickly find wifi when you need it. If anything it frees you from compulsive notification checking.
If people flag me as a potential malcontent and discriminate against me I am happy to turn it into an expensive media circus to raise more awareness. I am exercising my legal right to opt out of surveillance systems.
The more people that do this, the less we stand out and the more protected we all are. I do not even -need- to do any of this but I help provide cover for the people that rally do. People like me also make it harder for businesses to do away with cash, table pagers, paper menus, etc.
I used CCPA to get this data from brokers. I am far more careful than most in my attempts to keep from being tracked, but perhaps not as careful as you. The dossiers contained data that went back to when I was 7 years old. The most surprising item was data that could only have come from a print shop (from fake joke business cards printed there, but never handed out).
Friends have used https://privacyduck.com with success.
https://oag.ca.gov/data-brokers
https://web.archive.org/web/20201022024035/https://www.stopd...
list of credit reporting agencies to freeze reports with:
https://www.consumerlawfirm.com/credit-reporting-agencies.ht...
People could buy short video segments of public areas displayed at random and the game was to randomly find pictures of themselves.
Of course, information is power, so that's why the police turn off their body cams....
What's interesting is that the article doesn't know how the government obtained the data in question. I don't know either, but I wonder, did they buy it from a private broker like anyone else could?
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/05/2020-census-u...
The Heritage Foundation is not an arm of the government, and I'm not sure why you though the government was involved in the collection of this data. The original report (linked within TFA) doesn't specify its methodology in any meaningful way, but it's well known that data brokers resell anonymized device location data and it seems rational to presume that it was purchased commercially.
But it is the least shocking thing I've heard that the Heritage Foundation is behind this effort, & astoundingly unsurprising this very-longstanding forefront-of-conservatism would be confused with the U.S.G.
Under ATD, the federal government assigns “SMARTLink” devices to track the location of migrants after they are released from federal custody.
It may even be possible to request this data with a FOIA request.
How is that even remotely legal?
If senators were actually interested in fighting "big tech" beyond making a show of "banning TikTok" and "investigating Twitter," they would spend the time to craft privacy legislation making it illegal to collect, store or transmit this location data in the first place.
Perhaps someone should start a non-profit to buy and publish the location data of anyone who spends time in the Capitol building. Maybe then we would see some movement on reasonable legislation to curtail this practice.
So that makes legislation a steep hill to climb, as interested parties are likely to immediately challenge the constitutionality of anything that makes it through the (often dysfunctional) legislative process. There's also the less formal reality that business is culturally privileged in the US, and the trope of busybody lawmakers interfering with honest business people who are creating jobs and prosperity is easy to market.
Kinda spooky how data is being abused these days, pretty sure religious people aren't the only ones being targeted.
It also seems a bit dubious to call this a "leak," since it seems unavoidable - how would the tower send data to my phone if it didn't know where I was?
The hospital needs to know my details like cholesterol to provide me health services, but they are broadly not allowed to sell those details and if that data ended up somewhere it shouldn't be, you could adequately call it a "leak". Cell phone data should be the same way. Verizon will always know my location, because that's how physics works, but they should not be able to give that info to anyone or anything without my express permission or a warrant.
What's an "individual?" Does it really make a difference if it's you or your LLC requesting my data?
I have no - ok, maybe some - doubt that mobile internet service providers are selling "anonymized" and "aggregate" location data - but I seriously doubt they are selling individualized location data of a specific phone number to anyone who pays the right amount of money.
I'm not trying to be daft; if I'm wrong I would really like to know the details of how/where this is possible, and also how I can opt out of it.
This dataset was likely obtained from a combination of cell companies and app companies. The only way to change this state of affairs for society is through privacy legislation. And it needs to be competently written so that it doesn't just end up amounting to another paragraph in the legalese that nobody reads.
To you and @TechBro8615, it feels like there is some other law being broken here.
> The Heritage Foundation locked on to the locations of at least 30,000 cell phones at non-government (NGO) migrant aid shelters and Customs and Border Protection (CBP) facilities.
This sounds like they are getting device/tower information directly. Again, this sounds like an illegal interception/wiretapping.
https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/09/30/theres-a-multibilli...
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/how-federal-government...
https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/09/30/theres-a-multibilli...
It should be illegal. The US needs comprehensive privacy legislation akin to the GDPR, which crucially defines 'consent' in such a way that it cannot just be nullified by unilateral terms of service. Until then, surveillance companies will keep building totalitarian surveillance systems ripe for abuse by the government, politicians, and plain old commercial interests.
I think the Heritage Foundation used illegal means and methods to track the locations of those people's phones.
Cell phones providers are private companies, not utilities. You can just choose not to have one.
I don't agree with the comment, insofar as I've submitted and commented on many stories about the collection and sale of cellphone location data over the years, and submitted this one because it was about the issue rather than the Heritage foundation (although it does happen that their politics are anathema to me). I can't speak for the consistency of objectivity of the source website on this topic, though public radio outlets stereotypically skew liberal.
I also disagree with the notion that this is the best possible application of the data, since it was gathered non-consensually and used to disparage the subjects in the Heritage Foundation report (eg assumptively labeling detected phone users as 'illegal aliens' although the statutory term is 'nonimmigrant person/alien' and has been for ~25 years). In my view it fails to meet any recognizable standard of academic research and is pseudoscientific at best.
Nevertheless, I think that the poster's arguments would have been better discussed than disappeared.
In case of emergency dial 911, not me:
- If it's not worth calling 911, it's not an emergency.
- If it's worth calling 911, I can't help with the actual emergency.
Very rarely, but I'd rather know that not. That's pretty much the idea of an emergency. I know I've had a handful of them in my life and I think they were worth it. If you don't want to be available for those, fair enough.
You can not track a pager any more than you can track an FM radio.
Some pagers support encryption for even higher fees but consider it to be no stronger than SMS.
He'd have died anyway. Sure. But still, I have to tell you that my older brother was really upset knowing he had missed that call by his own choice.
> > "I think you're missing the case where the hospital is trying to let you know about the state of your loved one."
But how is any information about the state of someone will impact the course of actions for that person?
> He'd have died anyway
Exactly this.
Maybe it's stoicism, but personally I don't know how I would be upset about actions I couldn't change.
If anything, the voicemail saved your brother a good night of sleep, that would have been otherwise wasted doing... what exactly? Pre mourning? Creating some familial unity by suffering together? Scaring him emotionally by having to hold the hand of a dying person?
I just don't understand all this.
Same as saying that before the nanny state passed laws requiring children to wear bicycle helmets, we not only rode bikes without helmets, we tried to emulate Evil Knievel by jumping our bikes off ramps leaning against rickety wooden produce crates.
Yes, we survived. But I knew a boy who did not.
I am not telling anyone that they have a moral imperative to carry a cell phone everywhere. But I am saying that just because we (I am sixty) grew up without such technology and turned out all right, does not mean there is no risk.
I'm sorry. What happened to him that a cell phone would have prevented? Medical emergency far from land lines, took too long to reach 911?
I am 61 and I understand that yes there is a risk. But maybe this is the risk worth taking. As a kid I walked to school and back every day and generally much of my life at that point and later on was spent outside. I am now looking at my 8 year old grandson, all the gizmos he has, access to information and being constantly accompanied by adult for security. I love him and sort of feel very sorry. I think no fucking way I would trade the type of childhood freedom I had to the one most of modern kids are having.
I think what you're getting at with the helmet business is survivorship bias - the fact that I did meth recreationally in the 90's and came out with no bad side effects doesn't mean meth is okay for everyone, that sort of thing. But with 24/7 comms it's kind of a different dynamic of changing expectations en masse rather than a question of beating the odds.
Mortality rates among teens and children have generally been going down as far as I know (putting aside any pandemic related skews).
I do not carry a phone but my family generally knows where I am if they need to call an office or a business to summon me in an emergency.
I am offline, unreachable, and focused while driving, but I consider this a good thing.
I don't know if when you disable this feature it actually makes the phone unfindable, or if it just transmits its normal beacon, but with a message attached that says 'ignore me' (which would obviously make you still findable by Apple, if they were compelled).
I'm not as outraged that we're giving illegal aliens cell phones because the whole immigration policy fiasco is a tool of the political parties to keep us outraged...
For years, there are companies that sell your GPS coordinates. Search "2000 mules" they (group interested in proving the 2020 election was "stolen") used GPS coordinates combined with video to find who were "mules" collecting ballots and dropping them off ballots in multiple drop boxes (legal in many states btw).
Those same "mules" likely work for NGOs who buy GPS coordinates, web history / social media data / voter records to see areas who haven't visited a drop box, so they know tho to visit.
Everyone's buying the data. Everything is tracking you if it can.
The wider case you can make about the dangers of data collection and selling is certainly valid. But there are specifics here that should not be ignored.
I’m fairly certain that Find My iPhone works by other phones or devices scanning for Bluetooth MAC addresses. Before I turned the feature off my phone knew exactly where my Mac was without either being connected to Wi-Fi.
The technology is seriously impressive but also deeply disturbing. I felt that Apple did a pretty good job of explaining the privacy concerns during setup, though.
You will need to have access to the privately sold cell carrier lookup services. Ask your local bounty hunter, private investigator, cell carrier employee, or dirty cop. You can also anonymously buy lookups with bitcoin on darknet markets.
Joseph Cox from Motherboard proved the above at Defcon 27 to raise awareness.
All of these companies regularly sell the data, including to law enforcement agencies without a warrant, but that doesn't mean ANYONE can buy it. It's identical to "The law prohibits both politicians and beggars from sleeping under a bridge" and "All citizens have the ability to defray their taxes with complex legal fictions and businesses"
Also weird that there is so much secrecy around the government activity here. Seem like something that should be completely public
What really blows my mind is Democrats/Far Left Progressives siding with neocons, deep staters and warmongers. Is that what is meant by "side switch"?
I just want to be left alone.
> What really blows my mind is Democrats/Far Left Progressives siding with neocons, deep staters and warmongers. Is that what is meant by "side switch"?
If you look into the origin of the Neocons you may be surprised to find they were Marxists[1][2][3]. More specifically, Trotskyists, who simply found a different path to achieve the goal the COMINTERN once sought - globalist revolution using "democracy" as their weapon/tool. Understood in that context, a lot of seemingly incongruous things start to make sense.[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2010/06/neoco...