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> Drought and all.

I never thought Democrats would be blamed for the drought as well.

Have you driven I-5, going through CA's central valley? They have such lovely signs as "Congress created dust bowl."

People will absolutely blame Democrats for the drought (or Republicans, it doesn't matter) if that means they are absolved of responsibility.

It's somewhat ironic that the government and specifically the army corps of engineers created the central valley. It was a desert / dust-bowl before.

It's also sad that a central valley project could never happen today. There would be endless environmental impact studies.

While it would obviously be ridiculous to blame a political party for the weather... we can indeed lay blame on a political party for refusing (and blocking attempts) to build new water reservoirs in an ever-expanding, highly populated and frequently dry state.

Because that is a political decision, for better or worse.

California is currently drowning in water from the recent storms... and an awful lot of it will run straight out to the ocean. During the summertime... we deliberately open upstream dams so that downstream rivers can be full enough to support Tubbing, Boating and Recreational Fishing... which is kind of weird if you think about it.

California isn't one region, and the monsoon season does the same thing to Arizona as it does to Southern California. The opening of dams to support sports is usually a bipartisan decision (conservatives as well as liberals like their electorates to be happy).

You're right about the sporting uses... it's just absurd given California's dry history.

However, the lack of sufficient reservoirs is indeed a real problem. The population and it's water needs have greatly eclipsed the state's storage capabilities, which creates a negative feedback cycle during dryer seasons/years.

There are plenty of underground aquifers that need to be recharged, I assume the limiting factor is that when the rain comes all at once (during a monsoon) it can't be absorbed quickly enough before running into the ocean. Usually snowpacks build up and then release gradually (that's how the Colorado river works), but the drought and global warming have been reducing those (and the ability to build them back up) at a very quick rate.

I'm sure people who are more knowledgeable about the problem are trying to work out solutions, and there is probably a straightforward answer to why we don't have a working solution already?

Here is an article from 2014 that talks about it. It was recently on HN.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2014/08/31/california-drought-wh...

Here is a more recent article talking about the proposed Sites Reservoir the other article mentions.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/a-new-mega-reservoir-in-final-plan...

In California, specifically, there is an impressively strong opposition to building new above-ground reservoirs (think dams, tanks, lakes, etc). The opposition usually cites environmental reasons, but in California we're effectively a One-Party state so there is no meaningful pushback.

That's not to say environmental reasons aren't good reasons (with a certain balance of course).

However, in California, this has become the "go-to" excuse for blocking most new public-works projects, often tying up projects in decades of litigation and studies... which typically means the project is dead before it even starts. Californian's have become skeptical of these weaponized "studies" as a result.

Yup this is a huge problem in CA. We simply have not been able to get any new meaningful reservoir projects done. Take a look at the Sites Reservoir. It is probably the closest to actually doing something.

https://sitesproject.org/sites-news/

California has strong local governments captured by NIMBYs which makes intra-jurisdictional projects hard and inter-jurisdictional ones nigh impossible.

As an example, the LA River is a giant concrete channel that rushes water into the Pacific. There is some support for restoring it into a more absorbent wetland state but it will take decades and doesn’t cover the whole river.

As a more farcical example, the recent storms have downed a tree across the Caltrain commuter rail line. They are slow on removing it because the jurisdiction the tree fell in consider it a historic tree despite the fact that it is eucalyptus, a species invasive to California.

All the reservoirs of capacity have been built, except two. Sites is going to be built and the other has a fault right thru the middle of it.

There is no magical reservoir that will feed Victor David Hanson’s walnuts.

> All the reservoirs of capacity have been built, except two

Can you elaborate? A reservoir is just something that stores water - it does not have to be on an existing river, although that is convenient.

California is huge. There is plenty of space to build new reservoirs. It's purely a political problem, as demonstrated by children comments below.

You’re grasping at straws. It wasn’t a political comment.

Utah already has the the drought, now it just needs the urban technocrats.

Sorry, I thought the comment was associating politics with environment.

Utah is already one of the most urban states (90%). And "conservative technocrats" mostly run things at the state level (SLC itself is very Democrat), so I'm a bit surprised the governor comes from a farm.

> Sorry, I thought the comment was associating politics with environment.

It absolutely is and they're lying through their teeth.

You people who see everything as a demo vs repub battle are tiresome. I couldn’t care less about political parties. I know that concept is unthinkable to you.

Yep, sure, which is why you went with good ol' tired dumping on california. Very believable, thank you for the laugh. Have a nice day. But maybe try avoiding the obvious tell if you're trying to keep your ideological affiliations hidden?

I was born and raised in CA. Give me a break. If anything, I see myself as more inline with the classic Berkley-style, free will, spiritual esotericism of the 60s/70s. But like I said, political dispassion is beyond your comprehension, does not compute.

Ah yes, a classic independent voter who just happens to have never voted for a Democrat ever. We see you.

I’ve never voted. Check mate.

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