Filmora and Adobe decide to use “Kdenlive” as a keyword in their online ads
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Filmora "altering the deal" on lifetime licenses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm90xW40c3A
Wondershare deceptive sales practices: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKX0LjGBBqo
Congrats to all the Kdenlive devs over the years - it's actually quite good!
"Kdenlive" sure is an open-source project name though. How is it even supposed to be pronounced? It's not actively offensive like "The GIMP" but it sure does not imply a single thing about what this program does to the uninitiated.
The seems like classic imitator product naming really.
Apple, Google and Samsung have done it, why not KDE?
Not defending kdenlive but photoshop is a bad example
The photoshop is where you work on pictures. If you shopped there, it would be a photostore.
It is even used as a verb for 'generic photography edition'.
> At least it’s pronounceable, and “photoshop” and “illustrator” are pretty self-explanatory. Acrobat isn’t [self-explanatory] I’ll grant.
Also the sexual connotation isn't very professional IMHO. And this is the opinion of someone who pays a significant chunk of her bills drawing porn.
That doesn't make it a slur.
Perhaps if we ignored some of these reactions to words after... 80+ years, and just let the 'new' meaning become the default... we can move past censoring words that someone, somewhere, used as an insult?
I'd recommend you read up on the aids health supplement, and how that attitude didn't help them. Simple fact is that GIMP has an unfortunate name, it's not getting any better despite your wishes to single-handedly control the most important language on the planet. Its name makes the whole product less appealing, making it a harder sell to switch from Photoshop. A better name would be in order.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gimp
Second etymology, fourth definition.
Yeah, no.
Gimp (3): 1. (sometimes offensive): Cripple (sense 1a)
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https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/gimp
The noun gimp is sometimes used to describe a limp or another physical disability, although it's an outdated and offensive word to use.
If you comment on someone's gimp, call the person a gimp, or say, "Look at that guy trying to gimp across the parking lot without his crutches," you've chosen a very objectionable way to talk about a disability. People will know what you mean if you use the word, but they're likely to be offended by it. Gimp was first used in the 1920's, possibly as a combination of limp and gammy, an old slang word for "bad."
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New Oxford Dictionary of American English
gimp(2) | ɡimp | North American informal, derogatory noun 1 a person with a physical disability or leg injury. • a limp. 2 a stupid or contemptible person.
Sure.
That said...
> Perhaps if we ignored some of these reactions to words after... 80+ years, and just let the 'new' meaning become the default... we can move past censoring words that someone, somewhere, used as an insult?
The world we live in today lets black rappers use the n-word in their music while also seeing white teachers get fired for using it in the context of a classroom discussion about why it is a bad word and ought not be used.
The mental gymnastics of accepting a word which could be either a term of endearment or the most deeply offensive pejorative are too messy for my liking.
> It just wasn't a word used in my circle/area
This highlights the problem, I think. You've moved from a circle where it wasn't even in use, to a circle where it is in use with one meaning (an acronym), and now another circle where it has been used for 100 years with an entirely different meaning (a slur).
You have a decision to make. Acknowledge that other people see the word differently than you do, or try to convince everyone that only your view of the word is the right one. Personally, I think it would be easier for the gimp to be renamed, but I'm also making an assumption (based on the circles I've run in) that more people are familiar with gimp as a slur than they are with it as an acronym for a software program.
Back in the day I knew a few people doing a particular type of art, often with mild adult content on deviantart, or in some cases not so mild, and they were able to fulfill commissions that came direct from enquiries. Those days were quite a while ago, however. That particular topic has continued to grow, despite all its stigmas though I'd imagine with growth came more artists and that likely drove prices down for most.
Kdenlive looks a bit worse IMO. Maybe it is the name of a twitch-stream for someone with “creative name” parent.
“Hey this is Kden, I’m here with my best bros Ayighden and Reighleigh, and you’re watching KdenLive.”
(But I mean we’re used to bad open source names and it isn’t like they have a marketing department, so no big deal, haha).
- Fireworks: you'll make bitmaps so good they'll blow up in colors?
- Dreamweaver: you can weave... dreams? I get the 90s web enthusiasm but come on
- Illustrator: there's bitmap illustration and vector illustration; Illustrator focuses on the latter, so good job on picking the wrong word in "vector illustration"
- InDesign: this name is a marketing dept playing it safe to a point that only a beige puddle of non-meaning remains
- GoLive: crappy subscription 1995 online service
- ColdFusion: lol
I'd love to see people taking such critical takes into the bigger guys for once. Especially because they have marketing departments. F/LOSS project naming reflects their often-personal origins and ways of expressing identity. Some do sound clunky, but give me the clumsy Inkscape any day (the "ksk" is hard to get used to, but you forget quickly) than any of the sad corporate names above.
I'm being snarkier that warranted, but man i'm crestfallen with all the unbridled hate on free software project naming around here.
I agree that expectations should be different for FOSS, but the bar is literally at “pick one or two short + commonly used words and mush them together”…
I'm reminded of Debian Linux and its origins (the combination of names of the OS author and his partner). Ended up being pretty memorable, and brand-wise it works. And yet the motivations behind Debian's naming were unusually human for a software world full of empty buzznames.
Just to be clear, from me at least, this isn’t intended as unbridled hate. The names are bad. So what? Anyone who’s named a software project knows it is an annoying task. And it isn’t very important. I think open source names are often somewhat sarcastic or lampshade-y, and I like it that way.
Inkscape is a great name, IMO.
But cheers, now I see I was reactive towards a generalised view of your point; I now understand where you're coming from, I'm with you there.
What does "denlive" mean? "live" could mean "streamed in real-time" but "den"? "kden"? Am I transmitting live from my den?
"Kdenlive is an acronym for KDE Non-Linear Video Editor"
I've always heard it and pronounced it as kay-den
And of those that aren't plain and descriptive, most of them seem inoffensive. What makes Kate such a worse name for a text editor than "Vim", or "JOE"? What's so awful about a PDF reader called "Okular", when the competition is named named after southwestern construction materials and trapeze artists e.g Adobe Acrobat? At least 'Okular' suggests the program is for viewing something. Corporate brand can be as bizarre as the strangest KDE names, the only difference is what you're acclimatized to.
It also annoys me every time I try to search for the calculator by typing in "Calc", but nothing is found because I forgot I need to look for "KCalc"
I think at the very least, commonly used applications like "Calculator", "Console", "Mail" should just be called "Calculator", "Console", and "Mail". Not everything has to be branded. The mail application on Windows is called "Mail", the terminal is called "Terminal", etc. They don't call them "WinMail" or "WinTerminal" for a reason. They know most users would find that off putting
Somehow in my head some things come out as Dutch, so GGGnome (hard throaty G, like a Klingon would say it).
A fun trick I used to use when kdenlive would corrupt its own savefile is to drag the kdenlive project into an openshot timeline and render it with openshot- it'd work too.
Hmm, this is not filling me with confidence
> Kdenlive is an intuitive and powerful multi-track video editor, including most recent video technologies. Our software is completely free, as defined by the GNU foundation. Using Kdenlive is investing in a community driven project, which aims to establish relationships between people in order to built the best video tools.
It does kind of sound like they're targeting that guy for calling them out.
Actually I can't get an ad to show up for Kdenlive either so I can't test this (maybe region specific?) but I'm guessing it's zero!
Encoding the entire output can understandably run slower than 1x, but transitions can be rendered on the plain decoded inputs, so I'm still hoping to see instant smooth previews in a future release.
It would appear the Filmora ad violates this. Submit a complaint to Google.
The ad targeting is done on Yahoo and Bing searches
But that’s a convention. You can absolutely use competitors trademarks as long as it doesn’t create confusion. The Pepsi Challenge is a famous example. Microsoft’s lame “I’m a Mac” ads are another.
I think you'll find those were Apple's lame ads.
In what ways? I work in the field, so feel free to speak technically.
"Care must be taken to ensure that advertising :
- Is not misleading or likely to mislead,
- Relates to goods or services of the same nature, meeting the same needs or having the same objective,
- objectively compares one or more essential, relevant, verifiable and representative characteristics of these goods or services, such as price.
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