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This Twitter thread is mostly a summary of this article, which provides more detail, albeit maybe in a less easily digestible (ha!) form:

https://medium.com/torodex/salmon-sushi-is-not-a-japanese-in...

The thread is actually wrong on the campaign cost, which might be attributable to the AI-powered summarisation the tweet author boasts about. Norway spent 30m kroner (NOK) on the campaign, which is about $3.75 million instead of the $30m the tweet claims. And the thread misses out the potential return on investment: Norwegian salmon imports to Japan went from 400 million NOK before the campaign, to 1.8 billion NOK in the second half of the 80's.

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> which might be attributable to the AI-powered summarisation the tweet author boasts about

Just one of the pitfalls of relying on AI and not double-checking the information. I worry for the future. How much might the past be rewritten in the future as a result?

The funny thing was that the author apparently used multiple sources, and has different import figures from the article as a result. But they didn't spot the order-of-magnitude error in the campaign cost.

Bah. Complaining that AI gets summaries wrong is like complaining that a singing dog is out of tune.

As per the article Bjorn Eirik Olsen was a key participant. His love of Japan was driven by his interest in Aikido, and he has become one of the relatively few westerners to reach 7th Dan. He's a very nice guy, and entertaining with stories from those days.

Sigh we need to just rename AI that does this Stupid Intelligence or something.

The most recent IQ test I've seen put Chat GPT at 83. I expect 100 by June and 150 by 2024.

3000 IQ within a decade, calling it. You heard it here first folks!

Very interesting share, thanks.

When I transitioned to eating more fish, because I wanted to be "healthier" I started eating more salmon because that's the fish available in German supermarkets, but it's not a taste I ever particularly liked.

What's more interesting to observe is that my daughter also doesn't really like it. When you have a 1 year old eating all sorts of fresh fish, but pushing away the salmon, you can't help but wonder, if there is something about food quality that small children taste that we cannot.

Kids are picky about food in all kinds of weird ways, and this doesn't even seem particularly surprising -- if it's a food you don't like, why would your kid like it? I think that's a simpler explanation than there being something wrong with the fish.

Interesting! Maybe she just inherited your taste in fish? I love salmon (also live in Germany) and my 4 year old likes it as well (but my 6 year old doesn't).

Mostly a vegetarian diet here now, but what I miss the most is absolutely salmon. Red meat or white fish I don't crave, but that red salmon, mmmm.

But no, it's not "interesting" how your kid doesn't like it. It doesn't mean anything about the health about the product. Does your kid like candy?

Treat yourself with a salmon! It's 2023!

Farmed salmon doesn't have the red colour we associate with salmon, and they add that colour later so that it looks right to us.

https://www.foodandwine.com/news/your-salmon-might-be-lying-...

Interesting article. It seems to be saying that wild salmon are pink because of a pigment in their diet, but farmed salmon are only pink because of a pigment in their diet.

Indeed. Farmed ones aren't given the same diet. I suspect it's not as healthy for them either, but it does well enough for industrial purposes. Think of cattle feed v grass, etc

I absolutely love raw salmon – but cook it, it is meh – I'll still eat it if offered, but for cooked fish it is far from my first choice

salmon gets unpleasantly fishy if you overcook it. a little browning round the edges while leaving the centre raw but warmed can be amazing

I do love salmon sashimi though

kids are very empathic. more likely than not, you’ve given off signals that she’s picked up on. or it could just be genetic

this idea that she’s somehow detecting an intrinsic wrongness to salmon sounds a lot like confirmation bias

> When you have a 1 year old eating all sorts of fresh fish, but pushing away the salmon, you can't help but wonder, if there is something about food quality that small children taste that we cannot.

Definitely. I think you’re onto something here. Keep digging.

> When you have a 1 year old eating all sorts of fresh fish, but pushing away the salmon, you can't help but wonder, if there is something about food quality that small children taste that we cannot.

Don't think there's anything to wonder about here at all. Kids' tastebuds are different, and they're just like anyone else - individuals who can decide they don't like something.

I don't think kids know anything about food quality. There is also a matter of preference but to say that the small children sense unhealthy/bad quality food is ridiculous. They would probably eat "only" junk food and sweets if given the choice.

Our daughter is legendary in our family for the quantity of smoked salmon she consumed at the same age.

My kids ate salmon starting at a young age. It's always been their favorite fish.

Same here - my son is an incredibly picky eater, and salmon is the one thing we can rely on him eating.

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