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I think the answer is "never", but mostly because the target is both vague and impossibly strict.

Let's take Hatsune Miku. You could argue that "she" fits the bill (3D character, algorithmic voice, lots of followers), but of course there are humans writing those songs and music. If you automated that away (AI lyrics, AI music) you would still have humans checking that the music fits "her" style, that the lyrics make sense, and that the result is not just a racist tirade due to 4chan training data. And as long as those humans are there you can't really say it's 100% AI, can you?

One could argue (wrongly, IMHO) that doing the selection and filtering is not the same as making music, but that criteria would then classify DJs as "not musicians" and I know they hate that.

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> And as long as those humans are there you can't really say it's 100% AI, can you?

I don't know how real artists do things, but I suspect that at least some of them rely on other people opinions about their new piece of work before going public with it. Basically for the same reasons. It is hard to objectively judge your own creative work. Especially because your fans do not judge your works objectively. You need to listen some voice of sanity to not loose your connection with reality.

If it doesn't work as an argument, I can propose a thought experiment. Let's imagine a human artist with a mental disability who sometimes allow himself to do some really strange things. To protect him from big mistakes there is a small group of mentally healthy and competent people to filter his works. The question is: can we say that our disabled artist's works are not his works? Or not 100% his works?

> And as long as those humans are there you can't really say it's 100% AI, can you?

I believe it depends. How much of filtering those humans do?

That's just not how it works. If anything the opposite is true. Music is full of big egos, ie, this is my band, we do it my way or the highway.

What you're saying might be true for boy bands and pop trash, but actual artists are extremely headstrong.

Let a million Mikus bloom unfiltered. The ones that spew out racist tirades or subpar music-noises would presumably be rejected by the consumers (although you never know these days).

Well, DJs are not musicians. They hate it because deep down, they know it's true.

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