Sex workers have been banned from Airbnb for years
thenation.com
thenation.com
> Freya didn’t use Airbnb properties for sex work, but she had her suspicions about how Airbnb flagged her. In May of 2020, before adopting cryptocurrency, she was paying for escorting advertisements with her credit card. Data sharing between platforms could have led Airbnb to algorithmically put two and two together.
> Airbnb is developing a product that essentially assigns each of us a social credit score.
No, the "contradiction" from taking the short version literally, without even ten seconds of thought put into it, is not actually a thing.
Following the rule doesn't count as intolerance to itself. Come on.
Of course it's a thing! It's literally everywhere! And if you're involved, stop.
A more accurate statement would be "tolerate all but people who offend certain favored groups".
Are their partners also blocked (as happened in this article)?
Oh and the US doesn't have legalized abortion because body autonomy is apparently too much to ask. SCOTUS majority wants to criminalize LGBT and turn America into Gilead / ISIS where the "wicked" are pushed off buildings or hung on walls.
For women who do want to sell sex, this ends up with some bad consequences. https://www.reddit.com/r/SexWorkers/comments/n11oqk/the_ongo...
And how did we end up with Schrödingers Hooker who is both poor oppressed victim and empowered "Yass Queen" sex worker?
Also, it's not at all unreasonable for people to not want their property used as a brothel.
I'm trying to understand how AirBnB, which necessarily has to rely on technology to perform these functions (that hotels already do via their employees) is such a threat.
Sites like OnlyFans are really just a conduit for further exploitation and promoting the idea to other young women that selling their bodies is an acceptable form of income.
It's certainly dystopian for AirBnB to target customers like this - but the government is who pioneered this kind of outsourced sleuthing.
If I was a host on AirBnB the last thing I'd want is for my property to be used to shoot a porno - clearly that's the intent of AirBnB I can't really blame them here other than the way they went about doing it.
The issue of abortion also shows similar political bedfellows - even deep red states where Trump won by 20+ points during the 2016 election have vehemently upheld access to abortion.
Recently I was listening to an interview with a sex worker talking about how she far preferred that to working in a factory.
Marginalizing sex work is done largely to increase the supply of labor (and thereby depress its price) for other forms of exploitation. (Making those who remain sex workers more exploitable by removing access to the resources other workers have is also a motive.)
Your opinion, if you mean there's an inherent difference from other jobs.
> exploitation
Every new kind of job is "more exploitation" at some level. That's not a good enough reason by itself.
- Weakens the nuclear family, which is the foundation of stable civilization, by decoupling sex from responsibility
- Exploits women, and then once they have grown old and wrinkled leaves them without support of any kind
- Can result in a child, which the prostitute is likely not equipped to care for
That sounds like you have a problem with birth control, not prostitution.
> - Exploits women, and then once they have grown old and wrinkled leaves them without support of any kind
Exploitation can be fixed with labor laws. Being unable to continue when you're old applies to tons of non-sex jobs too, and is better fixed by adding support structures than banning the jobs entirely.
> - Can result in a child, which the prostitute is likely not equipped to care for
Pretty rarely. I'm skeptical of that being enough to make a job immoral, but among other things there are many types of prostitution that can't result in a child.
>> That sounds like you have a problem with birth control, not prostitution.
No, birth control doesn't change anything. I wasn't talking about just responsibility to one's child, but also responsibility to one's partner.
And tying sex to marriage causes a lot of issues...
What issues, in your view? From my perspective, it solves a lot of issues. Marriage ensures that society knows exactly who is responsible for the consequences of sex. That's why the institution of marriage has been developed independently by so many different cultures, and has endured for so many centuries.
(And there is always the potential for consequences; no contraception is 100% effective, and on top of that there are the psychological effects)
Also let me go to the dictionary: the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship (historically and in some jurisdictions specifically a union between a man and a woman).
And again I'm not being anti-marriage, it's good overall, but it's not flawless, and there are ways to make its interaction with the rest of society more or less flawed.
The point where prostitution is treated as inherently immoral, because of marriage, is adding too much baggage to marriage. You can have both without hurting marriage in a way that undermines society.
- It's a ceremony, a procedure, a word. It has emotional/social value, but it can be modified or reversed without too much trouble if the married couple desires it.
- It's a permanent engagement into a deep responsibility, a vow that's designed to be hard to undo. A deliberate choice to trade away being able to have romantic relationships with whoever, and in exchange gain the lasting stability needed to raise a family.
When society strongly couples sex with marriage, especially with monogamous, non-incestuous marriage of the second kind, it aligns the passion of sex—a very powerful force—with perpetuating civilization, via families and children. When society permits selling sex for money, it takes that same powerful force of sexual desire, and puts it instead in the service of commercial exploitation and instant gratification, thereby weakening civilization.
The reward of sex, family, and a lasting relationship with someone you love, is only half the story. That reward is paired with sacrifice: marriage is exclusive and difficult to break. One and one's parter are in it for the long haul. The price ensures that the rewards are appreciated to their proper value. It incentivizes people to be extra careful about marrying the right person, and to treat their partner and their marriage with the respect and care they deserve. Unrestricted sexual promiscuity with whoever is fundamentally incompatible with that kind of commitment.
The reward encourages people to not be careful and to rush into marriage without testing whether they have the right person.
> Unrestricted sexual promiscuity with whoever is fundamentally incompatible with that kind of commitment.
I'm not suggesting that married people use prostitutes.
Also allowing prostitution doesn't imply there are no restrictions.
The existence of prostitution also discourages marriage by providing an alternatove source of sex. And it can also be a source of temptation that weakens extant marriages.
I was stunned to travel to the Netherlands to find that even in a country where sex work is legal - Dutch citizens have done everything they can to close the red-light district in Amsterdam and see the industry as a source of crime and degeneracy. Those engaging are still largely ostracized, shamed and seen to have a net negative affect on Dutch society at large.
Also, could careless about pearl clutchers and moral zealots shaming folks for what they choose to do with their own bodies. They're the real problem in society. Always have been.
Who cares what her past employment is or if you approve of it. Are we all just supposed to acquiesce to McCarthy style blacklists just so long as they target the "right people" like sex workers rather than the wrong people like "Communists"? Are you really happy to live in a world where the concept of a "no fly list" has been extended by private entities into a "no room and board", "no attend show", "no serve food" list that you could be put on for any reason without being told and with no due process to get off it?
Later in the thread you justify yourself as "deep into Catholicism". What makes you so sure that tomorrow you won't be stranded somewhere unable to buy gas because the service station camera recognized your face in a database of religious extremists?
No one should have to worry about being discriminated against on the grounds of wholly irrelevant personal business. Your personal feelings on the morality of others isn't grounds to revoke their rights.
> We won't tell you why we ban you.
> We might not even tell you that you are banned.
> Of course we don't tell you how we found out.
Well meant. But FAANG or MAMAA are not transparent about how they gain information about people and what they do with it. And they get away with it. In a way, USA resembles China in their way to social dystopia. Europe tried to fight with GDPR, but we know that went.
I hope the people of the world will understand that transparency is essential. I hope they get the power to enable the human right of informational self-determination.
sent a request to have that fixed so hopefully the link gets updated
Reddit links to the source article at https://www.thenation.com/article/society/airbnb-banning-sex...
> If the whole thing is true, I'd want some proper confirmation.
The thenation.com article links to a court case (to be precise a complaint, so it hasn't been heard in court yet) https://classactionsreporter.com/jumio-facial-scans-for-iden...
From the article
> Airbnb more or less admitted this four years earlier when it told Jay it had found her picture: How else would it have been unearthed?
> Airbnb’s open admission to Freya and her partner that their accounts were suspended as a result of Freya’s sex work suggests that Airbnb, which until recently denied targeting sex workers when not avoiding the question entirely, is confident in the surveillance technology it has been refining for years.